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November 19th, 2004, 05:23 AM
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More here,
Short clip of Basic Ba gua work. I am having to apply against Paul who is a very strong heavy guy, so instead of effecting his centre i am rotating around it. http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/chrisbagua.wmv
Kife defence work, builing speed as we go. http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/chrisknife.wmv
And finally working against the stick http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/chrisstick.wmv
These vids are a bit darker guys, sorry about that.
Chris
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November 19th, 2004, 07:09 AM
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November 19th, 2004, 09:17 AM
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November 19th, 2004, 09:40 AM
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Liked the knife and stick work (some nice blending with the attacker's movement).
The bagua and xingyi stuff is good basic application. Meant in the best possible way (amasing how few people can do "good basic application").
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November 19th, 2004, 09:44 AM
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Thanks for sharing.
Are those weapons work directly from your bagua or it's hybrid You study with Alex K., right So is this how He Jing Han bagua
You were able to show the directness of the Xy and the speed/angling/circling of the BG.
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November 19th, 2004, 09:49 AM
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Yeh rob they are still on the ground ......... kinda. If you watch the likes of Su dong chen you will see that in fast application they often rotate around a center with skipping type of movements, their Kou and Bai seem to raise them off the ground as they rotate. This is what is happening here. I wont effect his center so i will rotate around it at speed.
good basic application was what i was aiming for ....... so happy days!
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November 19th, 2004, 09:54 AM
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Rep Power: 22 | | | “ | You study with Alex K., right So is this how He Jing Han bagua | ” | |
Although Alex has been a student of He Jin Han of Yin Fu, This ba gua fighting skill comes from the cheng ba gua style.
the ba gua of He jin han is extremely different to this. I will try and put some down on film. Of alex applying Yin fu ba gua as taught by master He.
The weapons work is a bit of a mix, ba gua, hsing i etc. You will see the first stick disarm is Pi chuan basically, the blending work is ba gua, locking is Chin na from both.
thanks
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November 19th, 2004, 10:34 AM
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LOL. I was meaning in the figurative sense ... I though posts like "Oh My God! This Is Really Really Good!" might go to your head.
It really was nice to see someone moving right and showing the sort of simple and robust applications that actually work in the strange realm of reality. Keep those clips coming!
Rob
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November 19th, 2004, 10:39 AM
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lol - man alive its been one long day in the office!!! sorry pal!
I am very much a bigginer so it wont go to my head!
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November 19th, 2004, 10:59 AM
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Rep Power: 78 | | | That was what I was wonderring. I did a little Yin Fu years ago and now I have been studying the Gao (Cheng) and it looked similar.
Look forward to seeing some He Jing han stuff from you.
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November 19th, 2004, 11:22 AM
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November 19th, 2004, 11:56 AM
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Rep Power: 22 | | | tiss quite safe. the emphesis is generally more on the person holding the knife, or the Holding Limb, rather than the Knife itself. So sometimes it can come close but not too often.
The more rigid, static and 'safe' Knife work you often see most schools doing is not fluid or changabe enough to be 'Safe' IMO.
Bear in mind that this was very unrehersed.
But like i said i am a begginer so i am still working with alot of things.
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November 19th, 2004, 12:45 PM
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Rep Power: 100 | | For me, the clips are good enough. Okay, if present, I would for sure comment on one or the other thing suggesting things, but anything other would be a surprise ...
BTW, speaking of it... Do you do a palm strike when passing on the side, or is this a knife hand done with the finger tips The latter is something for the pro, with good hand strength. The former needs penetration, with the palm making enough contact to shock the liver, ribs or organs, or propel the person away at a point that makes them fold around the hand.
Actually, I'm not sold on the average guys ability to strike hard enough with such on-the-run touches (unless you could really penetrate with a fajing knife fingers), while I deeply believe you have a "good enough" impact using that advantageous position, keeping contact, turning the guy around at the waist with that hand, and from a near position slide into a palm to the head, a strike with the other hand or arm, a head lock or choke, or unfriendly stuff like turning the person over and arrange for a good landing. Hand attacks are good if the hand creates a good compression, on moving.
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November 19th, 2004, 04:29 PM
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Rep Power: 22 | | | “ | Do you do a palm strike when passing on the side, or is this a knife hand done with the finger tips | ” | |
Palm mainly | “ | The former needs penetration, with the palm making enough contact to shock the liver, ribs or organs, or propel the person away at a point that makes them fold around the hand. | ” | |
Agreed - this should not be taken as independant of the passing movement though - the twist, spiral force of the torso uncoiling as you pass to the side will produce extreme power in this strike.
Alex demo's this here i believ - you can see the penertration of the tap. http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/vide...r_Ba%20gua.WMV | “ | Actually, I'm not sold on the average guys ability to strike hard enough with such on-the-run touches (unless you could really penetrate with a fajing knife fingers) | ” | |
I disagree - with the right use of the body you can produce a very deep penetrating strike with reletive ease.
The uncoiling of the body's twist is the key here - you are striking with your whole body and if the tendons and alignment are correctly used - a power of equal magnitude to a rooted strike will accomplished.
Disrupting the centre of a large rooted opponent is difficult so using a flurry of palm strikes, to 'take the mind' or position the opponent for the knock out blow to the head is a good idea.
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November 19th, 2004, 08:55 PM
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Rep Power: 37 | | | “ | tiss quite safe. the emphesis is generally more on the person holding the knife, or the Holding Limb, rather than the Knife itself. So sometimes it can come close but not too often.
The more rigid, static and 'safe' Knife work you often see most schools doing is not fluid or changabe enough to be 'Safe' IMO. | ” | |
Yup I agree with the rigid format... I m familiar with bagua footwork a bit... I think drills in the very beginning are ok(mostly where you are blocking from outside).. but others I thought wre unsafe...
I Think I have to watch it again n should try with someone... | “ | Bear in mind that this was very unrehersed.
But like i said i am a begginer so i am still working with alot of things. | ” | |
lots of beginners luv to move like u... great work with vids man keep em coming...
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