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Very nice clips chris!! Me likies!!

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“	Originally Posted By: chris_davis01 I disagree - with the right use of the body you can produce a very deep penetrating strike with reletive ease.	”

I don't think we disagree on what is possible, but what a "average" guy can do successfully if necessary. If you try it on a doorframe, passing through and hitting the wall next to the frame with your palm, you notice how you can strike it. If you have considerable short power, you can achieve a lot of things, but without, you could easily use a more simple manouvre of applying pressure. I see a problem of people too fixed on the fast get away to create enough power on the touch, while if you concentrate on delivery first, without doing that sneaky runaway, you could get it more consistantly. I don't concentrate on the getaway because typically, the guys I have "contacted" went down, and didn't come back for more. No need to run.

A more typical manvoure I was actually taught by not so bad guys is the same passing, applying pressure on the hip joint so the guy turns around, then sliding up the palm on his body (gives you control), in a fast manner, applying pressure to his face. This is a bad manouvre if done using power, be careful. No need to train so much the palm slam if a palm push has a lot more consistant effect. I use palm pushes to the blood supply of the liver, you can do that from a frontal position, or passing by the side. Applying down power on the hip also makes people fly away impressivly, not doing too much harm. The most that can happen is that the foot flips over hurting the tendon, or a muscle pulls in the groin area. Usually, we trained to stay in touch, turning people around or get behind them, and do something to a limb, the head or the organs, staying close, and controlling position. One time you disroot them and have the upper hand, you don't hit and go away, to try second time if they don't fall, but finish them once getting them one time. I have a slight suspicion what the "hit-and-run" was good for, but I won't like to explain.

Have fun, and continue. Doesn't look so bad...

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cheers Nik,

Real interesting points.

“	I don't concentrate on the getaway because typically, the guys I have "contacted" went down, and didn't come back for more. No need to run.	”

“	I have a slight suspicion what the "hit-and-run" was good for, but I won't like to explain.	”

I would say though that this 'runaway' move is more for the considderation of Multiple attackers, slipping past the guy and attacking him on the move while moving through and attacking someone else.

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We should all be posting vids. This is fantastic!
(Still waiting for our footage from this summer Alan!!!)

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“	Originally Posted By: bsd_tector We should all be posting vids.	”

still waiting for the vid of your morning taichi....

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lol Chief!

I think it gives great discussion potential if we all posted some clips!

chris

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I dont want to talk about peoples experience but that hit and run stuff is exactly what you want and its a tiny degree difference in staying to add one or two more strikes to be more debilitating.

I like the progression of speed to show the combative nature of the apps. Dynamics often change are realtime whats most important is that the principles are still in place and You show that.

I will add though that another TMA mistakes with regards to knife is that people who try to stab let that sucker hang out there.

Try this:Have some one stab in and out fast and hard as they close on you and see if the apps work.
You'll find it hard to keep hold of/redirect the weapon arm when there is a trong withdraw. Now I also know that there are many ways to deal with this. But Like I said with the empty hand attack ealier, I have never seen Anyone try to stab someone (or me)from a distance like that.

Not a gig on you chris. I just think its a general training error, even my teacher had us do it.
Which leads me to think noone has really tried to kill him with a knife before. On the other side of that is we cant really assume that everyone out there with a knife is a skilled knife fighter.

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Nice clips Chris.

Nice post Pai!!

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yeh i agree pai,

Sometimes we train with close range knifework, Fast slashiing work and knife work against the body. I really changes the dynamic a bunch doesnt it!! So so much harder for the apps to work without distance - thats where short work comes into its own!

great post Pai. Think i will work that side of things a bunch more.

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I liked what I Saw you are pretty quick, that ability to spark is very important. Many people confuse speed with quickness, they are different.

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Cheers Pai,

Incidentally i am having a hell of a time training at the moment, alex is doing close in knife work!

killing me man!!!!

Which is always good

Chris

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Chris good video one question when you rounded the corner on the last strike; perhaps since they are beginners you could have shown them another application for tiger leaves cave. block as you did but when you leaned to the outside instead show how the block works from solio bu and round the corner with hide flower under leaf to show follow through in case the attacker is skilled and then tiger leaves cave to solio bu. if you already did that then. o well at least one of the wannabes on this forum might have learned something(probably not).

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oki - doki! here is some fast work against jabs.

was a very interesting free session this morning!! the camera had a bit of a hard time picking up the speed in the light we had so sorry for any fuzzyness.

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/chris_fast2.wmv

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/chris_fast3.wmv

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/chris_fast4.wmv

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/chris_fast5.wmv

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/chris_fast6.wmv

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/vide...ichuanfast.wmv

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/vide...chuanfast2.wmv

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/chrisshock.wmv

Here are some of paul .... man can that guy hurt ya! again it is a little difficult to see why i double up! so i have slowed the footage to see whats happening.

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/paulfastwork3.wmv

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/paulfastwork4.wmv

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/Paul_1.wmv

hope you like.

Regards
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“	Originally Posted By: PaiLumUmar I liked what I Saw you are pretty quick, that ability to spark is very important. Many people confuse speed with quickness, they are different.	”

Umar, could you elaborate on this for me on a new thread maybe

BTW - rock on Chris!

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I'm really not qualified to criticise on Hsing I matters as I've only been training for a couple of months but I'll have a go.

In the second pi chaun in the last set of vids you posted the pi seems to hit and you retract quickly. I have been led to believe that, in hsing i at least, you are trying to use your forward momentum to produce the striking power (Dark jing) and not the snapping action(Bright Jing) produced in the arm/wrist (e.g. Wing Chun punches). I know you don't want to knock your buddy out or smash his skull but shouldn't your pi have stayed out and not snapped back Also in the same vid it seems that you almost lift off and step back as you pi. Again I thought the forward momentum should be used and the rear leg to be solid in the san ti position(although i know there are other variations on pi).

Not sure if this is any help, as I say I'm a raw beginer and I have lots of flaws myself so i'm probably not the best person to comment.