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Old November 22nd, 2004, 05:35 AM
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Animals!!!

In your XingYi how are the animals represented. Do you have a seperate form for each animal, or is it simply isolated movements that are incorporated into other larger forms

If your have seperate forms for each animal, how long are these (in terms of movements)

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each animal has its own form and they rangee usually between one and 5 movments repeated over and over and sometimes variations of the animals aswell like i know 2 horses
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Thanks!

I ask because I had a confusing conversation with my instructor (translated from Chinese to Hungarian and then into English) where I asked about animal forms and was told "there are no animal forms".

This was confusing as we learn a number of forms and there are certainly movments described as snake or dragon, and I'm yet to learn animal forms specifically. If the movements range from one to five (for each animal) perhaps my instructor doesn't regard these as forms in itself.

I must try the multi-lingual questioning again tomorrow night!

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Thanks!

I ask because I had a confusing conversation with my instructor (translated from Chinese to Hungarian and then into English) where I asked about animal forms and was told "there are no animal forms".

This was confusing as we learn a number of forms and there are certainly movments described as snake or dragon, and I'm yet to learn animal forms specifically. If the movements range from one to five (for each animal) perhaps my instructor doesn't regard these as forms in itself.

I must try the multi-lingual questioning again tomorrow night!

Cheers,

Duncan


Hey Dunc, dont listen to Slick, he dont quite get it yet :P (He need to study more )

Your teacher is right that there are no animal forms. There are animals, but not forms. Forms are a collection of movements into a sequence which is then remembered.

True xing yi is not about forms. True xing yi is about being able to flow from one technique to the next, based on the opponents actions/reactions. If you just learnt forms, you'd end up like them taiji lot

Think of the animals not as a collection of movements (and for the record, there are a shed load more than 1 - 5 per animal!), but as a strategy of overcoming your opponent.

Here comes my famous example:

Tiger and Eagle are both meat eating animals. However, you dont see an eagle biting the throat of its prey, and nor do you see the tiger smashing the animal into the ground, or flipping upside down to catch it from underneath.

Both animals kill, both do it effectively, but both do it differently. THAT is xing yi.

Understand it better now
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Old November 22nd, 2004, 04:05 PM
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Yeah, get what you're saying, and maybe through dodgy translation my instructor was saying the same thing... my fear was that our XingYi wasn't going to specify animals (I was kinda hoping for there to be a form for Tiger for example).

So in that case not dependent on whether you break away from the animal in a specific sense, as all martial arts must do that - not be confined to strict forms.

But cheers.

Duncan

Ps. How come, as a XingYi'er, you have a gif pic of Augustine Fong (a Wing Chunner)
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I liked the imagery, and didnt want to appear as being too fanatical about xing yi.

And btw you'll find loads and loads on tiger.

Infact, you know pao quan Thats tiger
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LOL..Li Xiaolong, make it easy for Duncan. He was asking about separated forms of each animal (You know...Ming Jing stage). Don't make his head explode with Hua Jing thought...not yet

Duncan, I'm sorry I'm not replied to your last email. I will soon.
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Old November 24th, 2004, 03:56 AM
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No worries, Felipe... whenever you have time.

As for the head exploding... it's always exploding - just too much information everywhere to try and take in. Trained last night and this morning its my legs that feel they're exploding. Damned Chicken Walking for hours.....
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