kung fu kung fu
kung fu
kung fu

Go Back   The Dragon's List Kung Fu Community » JMA » Japanese Martial Arts - General

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old October 11th, 2007, 04:37 AM
Supreme-Drunkard's Avatar
Supreme-Drunkard Supreme-Drunkard is offline
Venerable Student
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Boston Ma
Style(s): Wushu,Drunken Boxing Ect
Year(s): 5
Posts: 230
Rep Power: 9
Supreme-Drunkard has a spectacular aura aboutSupreme-Drunkard has a spectacular aura aboutSupreme-Drunkard has a spectacular aura about
Send a message via AIM to Supreme-Drunkard Send a message via MSN to Supreme-Drunkard Send a message via Yahoo to Supreme-Drunkard
Aikido and Traditional Kung-fu

What are the Benefits of Aikido.
I'm thinking about taking up Aikido.
I have been doing kung-fu for years. Would this change anything?
Would they clash some way or another?
__________________
*~The one*~The Only*~The Supreme Drunkard~*

"I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger."--Mencius
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old October 11th, 2007, 04:37 AM
Supreme-Drunkard's Avatar
Supreme-Drunkard Supreme-Drunkard is offline
Venerable Student
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Boston Ma
Style(s): Wushu,Drunken Boxing Ect
Year(s): 5
Posts: 230
Rep Power: 9
Supreme-Drunkard has a spectacular aura aboutSupreme-Drunkard has a spectacular aura aboutSupreme-Drunkard has a spectacular aura about
Send a message via AIM to Supreme-Drunkard Send a message via MSN to Supreme-Drunkard Send a message via Yahoo to Supreme-Drunkard
And do Aikido and Kendo String together some how?
__________________
*~The one*~The Only*~The Supreme Drunkard~*

"I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger."--Mencius
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old October 11th, 2007, 06:45 AM
Pope_Wingnut's Avatar
Pope_Wingnut Pope_Wingnut is offline
moogate victim
Weathered Post Master
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Leeds
Style(s): wc/arnis/(b)jj
Year(s): since 2002
Posts: 8,627
Rep Power: 145
Pope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond reputePope_Wingnut has a reputation beyond repute
i know alot of people who do wing chun and aikido

for some reason

they do seem to play together well

going from chi sau into locks and take downs

they flow nicely into each other

for some people
__________________
grapple - looks like an apple tastes like a grape

Last edited by Pope_Wingnut; October 11th, 2007 at 06:46 AM. Reason: divine intervention
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old October 11th, 2007, 05:00 PM
mok's Avatar
mok mok is online now
Burninator
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Montreal, Canada
Style(s): Sil Lum Hung Gar
Year(s): since '98
Posts: 675
Rep Power: 19
mok is a splendid one to beholdmok is a splendid one to beholdmok is a splendid one to beholdmok is a splendid one to beholdmok is a splendid one to beholdmok is a splendid one to beholdmok is a splendid one to behold
QQ: why are you posting this under "animal styles"?
__________________
What is the sound of one hand clawing? -- chanh buddhist proverb
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old October 12th, 2007, 08:24 AM
HungFamilyFist's Avatar
HungFamilyFist HungFamilyFist is offline
*Insert Witty Title Here*
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: New York
Style(s): Southern Shaolin Kuen
Year(s): 5
Posts: 382
Rep Power: 8
HungFamilyFist has a spectacular aura aboutHungFamilyFist has a spectacular aura about
If i recall correctly, Aikido teaches you to uproot your opponent, but tends to be less direct when it comes to striking and finishing. This could compliment any style as you can use the aikido throws and take downs in conjunction with your other strikes and breaks.
__________________
"When the battle is over, tighten your chin strap." ~Old Japanese Saying
----------------------------
Hung Gar/Win Chung student
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old October 12th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Sammygirl's Avatar
Sammygirl Sammygirl is offline
Moderator
Dragon's List Staff Feared Critic
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Boston
Style(s): Wah Lum/Yang Tai Chi
Year(s): passing by
Posts: 6,254
Rep Power: 150
Sammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond repute
I think you'd find it an interesting comparative study, and as HFF says it may complement your current style well.

Just remember to "empty your cup" when you start studying -- nothing makes it harder to learn, or teach, than when a student insists on going "oh but it my old style we do that move THIS way." Comparative work should be done on your own.
__________________
"Pain can be a great teacher of compassion and humility."~ Unkotare-san

"Whatever the case, it proves that countless disasters can be prevented by simply assuming everyone you're working with is a moron." ~ Adam Brown, 5 Tiny Mistakes...
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old October 12th, 2007, 12:24 PM
Sammygirl's Avatar
Sammygirl Sammygirl is offline
Moderator
Dragon's List Staff Feared Critic
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Boston
Style(s): Wah Lum/Yang Tai Chi
Year(s): passing by
Posts: 6,254
Rep Power: 150
Sammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond reputeSammygirl has a reputation beyond repute
And: moved to (more) appropriate forum.
__________________
"Pain can be a great teacher of compassion and humility."~ Unkotare-san

"Whatever the case, it proves that countless disasters can be prevented by simply assuming everyone you're working with is a moron." ~ Adam Brown, 5 Tiny Mistakes...
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old October 16th, 2007, 05:56 PM
Rockyn's Avatar
Rockyn Rockyn is offline
Venerable Student
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: New Jersey
Style(s): shotokan, gojuryu, aikido
Year(s): 9
Posts: 120
Rep Power: 5
Rockyn is a jewel in the roughRockyn is a jewel in the roughRockyn is a jewel in the rough
Aikido is derived from a mix of japanese jujutsu and swordplay and therefore would definitely string together with kendo. Aikido will make you very good at Chin na type joint manipulations as the majority of its beginner techniques relvolve around this. It is very flowing and soft, but do not mistake that for weakness as it is based on redirecting force. There is near constant contact with others, so you will not be doing forms or air drills the majority of the time, though there is some of this as well. Definitley, listen to Sammygirls advice and empty your cup, because there is a ton of information to take in. Usually it is very formal and japanese with bowing and such. If you have a chance to do so, I would definitely take advantage of the opportunity. My instructor was a little white haired yoda-like man and could he inflict pain and throw us college aged students around like you wouldn't believe. I didn't believe at first, but I learned quickly. Good Luck.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old October 19th, 2007, 08:33 PM
Rockyn's Avatar
Rockyn Rockyn is offline
Venerable Student
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: New Jersey
Style(s): shotokan, gojuryu, aikido
Year(s): 9
Posts: 120
Rep Power: 5
Rockyn is a jewel in the roughRockyn is a jewel in the roughRockyn is a jewel in the rough
BTW, make sure it is pure aikido and not some other "style" that someone combined with aikido because that is a very common thing.

Last edited by Rockyn; January 8th, 2008 at 11:13 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old January 4th, 2008, 12:55 PM
CLF Devil's Avatar
CLF Devil CLF Devil is online now
李冠雄蔡李佛門徒
Sponsor Weathered Post Master
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: City of Angels
Style(s): Choy Lay Fut + Others
Year(s): Not Enough
Posts: 1,498
Rep Power: 29
CLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud of
Send a message via AIM to CLF Devil Send a message via MSN to CLF Devil
I often wonder at the effectiveness of Aikido. Obviously I am not one to criticize, but IMHO, from my research and understanding of Aikido, there are more effective/efficient combat martial arts out there.

That is not to say Aikido is in any way invalid as a form of fighting/self-defense, but would you guys consider it as practical as say, the majority of CMA systems?

Of course, if combat is not your main concern, and you just want to learn it for the purpose of learning it, I say go right ahead.
__________________
Originally Posted By: KungFuMan View Post
I also learned a praying mantis fist style from watching the actual insect itself. This was before I actually learned some seven star mantis.

Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old January 6th, 2008, 04:27 PM
fabian_san's Avatar
fabian_san fabian_san is offline
MA Apprentice
Best Sites Weathered Post Master
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Mexico City
Style(s): Lama Sam
Year(s): apprentice
Posts: 1,266
Rep Power: 18
fabian_san will become famous soon enoughfabian_san will become famous soon enough
And what about Akijiutsu?


cheers,
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old January 7th, 2008, 03:09 AM
Mei Hua's Avatar
Mei Hua Mei Hua is offline
<--theguychangingmyavatar
Sponsor Feared Critic
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Land of Whales
Style(s): Mei Hua Chuan/MMA
Year(s): 21
Posts: 16,378
Rep Power: 220
Mei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond reputeMei Hua has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to Mei Hua
It can be practical, and is very similar to Qinna, if taught and practiced properly and realistically, and works well with KF.
Unfortunately, far to many Aikido people are a little loopy with the idea of being able to throw people through the air without touching them or using chi from a mile away to blast holes through buildings, but if you cut that out and get reliable instruction and actual practice in, would be useful
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old January 7th, 2008, 11:04 AM
Jade_Dragon_03's Avatar
Jade_Dragon_03 Jade_Dragon_03 is offline
Pimp of the year
Weathered Post Master
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kentucky
Style(s): Sil Lum KF & Wrestling
Year(s): 18+
Posts: 2,674
Rep Power: 47
Jade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant future
Aikido and Chin Na use similiar principles and techniques so I would say Aikido would improve your overall knowledge of Chin Na application.
__________________
Mark
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old January 8th, 2008, 11:01 AM
CLF Devil's Avatar
CLF Devil CLF Devil is online now
李冠雄蔡李佛門徒
Sponsor Weathered Post Master
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: City of Angels
Style(s): Choy Lay Fut + Others
Year(s): Not Enough
Posts: 1,498
Rep Power: 29
CLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud ofCLF Devil has much to be proud of
Send a message via AIM to CLF Devil Send a message via MSN to CLF Devil
Are there Qinna in Aikido? I've been under the impression that is where Aikijutsu and Hapkido are more concerned with.

From what I've seen of Aikido it's mainly just some throws and using the opponents force to shove him around . . . . . seriously I would LOVE to see combat oriented Aikido. Although I am also under the impression that it was intended with alot of "peace" oriented philosophical implications in mind, and as such does not contain many brutal techniques.
__________________
Originally Posted By: KungFuMan View Post
I also learned a praying mantis fist style from watching the actual insect itself. This was before I actually learned some seven star mantis.

Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old January 8th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Jade_Dragon_03's Avatar
Jade_Dragon_03 Jade_Dragon_03 is offline
Pimp of the year
Weathered Post Master
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kentucky
Style(s): Sil Lum KF & Wrestling
Year(s): 18+
Posts: 2,674
Rep Power: 47
Jade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant futureJade_Dragon_03 has a brilliant future
It was my understanding or impression that a lot of the techniques in Aikido were based on Chin Na application. If not then they are very similiar.
__________________
Mark
Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Warrior Vs. Fighter Bon Chuan Animal Forms & Styles 108 July 19th, 2007 12:52 PM
Is Aikido a Martial Art? Jaron Article Comments 10 November 29th, 2005 08:12 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:01 PM.

LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0

Compare | Money | Pozycjonowanie stron | Loan | Payday Advance