is this fast? why?

“	Originally Posted By: aqira I know the helper is just standing there...it's a demo The question is do you think this guy is fast? If so, what do you see that you would say makes him fast?	”

Shorter distance to travel from joint to contact surface. Hands already in center, distance already cut down. Oh, and other dude standing still = not too bad.

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Several good points....one thing though this guy has some development in an area that many martial artist don't. Not many styles even consider it. I have met a few long time artist that have it. Some would rather not make it common knowledge because it can give them an edge with speed.

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Not fast at all. Count the number of actual attacks, not movements of the hands. Plus it's all in short bursts, making it easier to move quickly. It is completely unfesible to do that sort of striking for any reasonable length of time.

True speed is shown in quick/short bursts.
There are plenty of people that can't do that, you can see any number of slowpokes that can't even pretend or mimic that.

to me whats more important is the proper use of his hips and balancing forces at short range that allow him to be relatively quick and still generate a decent amount of power. Its doenst matter how quick he is if he cant deliver it into a target. That is not done in the arms.

Also a good understanding of the kinetics involved. every motion in contact has an effect on the uke that is relatively predictable. He is prepared for and in motion based on that predicted effect. In THIS arena its a great method and tool. As long as the reality is constantly trainging for Delta.

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“	Originally Posted By: aqira Several good points....one thing though this guy has some development in an area that many martial artist don't. Not many styles even consider it. I have met a few long time artist that have it. Some would rather not make it common knowledge because it can give them an edge with speed.	”

Angle? Need to look at vid again if not.

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“	Originally Posted By: jawsman Angle? Need to look at vid again if not.	”

Nah... couldn't be that. Seriously... that's basics for a lot of arts from different cultures. He's gotta be talking about something different.

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The ability to deliver his speed thru the upper arm from the shoulder to the elbow, most fast snaps (or what people think is fast) comes form the elbow. Not many artist develope upper arm speed, not many teachers/trainers know how to teach or train someone if they understand or are even aware of it

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“	Originally Posted By: aqira The ability to deliver his speed thru the upper arm from the shoulder to the elbow, most fast snaps (or what people think is fast) comes form the elbow. Not many artist develope upper arm speed, not many teachers/trainers know how to teach or train someone if they understand or are even aware of it	”

Aye, I've never been taught that but it's always been natural for me to throw that way at times and does work well (speed wise)

I'm not seeing a lot of power generated there...
Looks like he's been doing some of that wild arm flailing stuff....

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“	Originally Posted By: clfsean Nah... couldn't be that. Seriously... that's basics for a lot of arts from different cultures. He's gotta be talking about something different.	”

LOL..... I didn't have another answer. And you'd be surprised how many styles out there believe that a side step is what angle is all about. When I speak of angle, I'm talking about a slight adjustment of the foot.

“	Originally Posted By: aqira The ability to deliver his speed thru the upper arm from the shoulder to the elbow, most fast snaps (or what people think is fast) comes form the elbow. Not many artist develope upper arm speed, not many teachers/trainers know how to teach or train someone if they understand or are even aware of it	”

Yep, the elbow... that's what I meant when I said joint. The elbow not only produces speed, but power as well. Although someone that knows this can stop it as well.

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“	Originally Posted By: jawsman LOL..... I didn't have another answer. And you'd be surprised how many styles out there believe that a side step is what angle is all about. When I speak of angle, I'm talking about a slight adjustment of the foot.	”

Oh I know... that's why I said that.

Angles for me start at about a toe shift to either side & move everywhere else except for the side step...

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Bah, Bull. Thats nothing special. That mechanics in the upper arm is part of a greater whole. Whipping action, whether in the entirety of the body or menifesting only in the limb. thats a standard Jing. Trained in most qi gong and many chinese arts.

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Most snap strikes come from the elbow, if you ever get to work with someone that has developed the upper arm speed you will understand why they are fast.

May not be a lot of power in the demo...its a static demo. When you learn to thrust a knife you work on the upper arm.

"Whipping action, whether in the entirety of the body or menifesting only in the limb. thats a standard Jing."

You would think until you do without the whip and no hips...for most people no speed and no power

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I dont know, I guess Im not impressed cause we work that kid of technique from yellow sash on. 10,000 times.

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