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Old January 23rd, 2008, 11:36 AM
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is this fast? why?

I know the helper is just standing there...it's a demo

The question is do you think this guy is fast?

If so, what do you see that you would say makes him fast?

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Old January 23rd, 2008, 12:05 PM
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He looks fast, but anyone can be lighting fast hitting a non-moving compliant partner.

I'd like to see him against a resisting opponent.

As for his demo, he was using his hips/shoulders and core to give him a burst of speed during some of those strikes, but again that's against a non-resistant opponent.
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 01:38 PM
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Nice demo: He's fast, he's got solid mechanics, and he understands how to generate short power.

Note that I personally find teaching/learning short power is best done after learning the mechanics of long stuff first. Some styles go straight to short, but I feel it's better to learn long first, then shorten.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 06:48 AM
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thought it was fast

relaxed until impact

then relaxed again
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 11:39 AM
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More of a general statement and something to consider in general.

Low quality video clips such as the ones seen on Youtube have a low framerate. Because of this it is hard to see objects that are moving quickly. It is very hard to judge speed based on such low quality video clips ( other than saying " that looks fast " )considering that even most High quality/frame rate video does not technically capture ALL movement. We have all heard of actors having to slow their movements down so that they can be captured properly on the camera. This is because of the limitations of technology and not because you cannot see them because they are so fast.
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 12:37 PM
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I dont feel the vid gives cut and dry proof that the dude is fast. First, as you pointed out, the "opponent" stands pretty still and compliant, (and adds some nice theatrics, I might add). Mr. Mills also adds some pretty pointless-albeit entertaining- sound effects by slapping himself like a monkey and making some nice Anime "FOOM!" sounds....

Now, that being said, the video, (or my cynicism), doesnt prove that he is slow, either...

He's probably faster than the average dude, probably has some skill. Really, its all conjecture. Is this guy fast? Maybe.

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Can his strike get through your defense? Then he's faster than you. If it can't he's not faster than you. He may be faster than somebody else. Can't really tell unless you trade hands with him.

I will say he's got good timing, though. Check how he stamps his foot on the ground with every strike to get that "super-slap" sound effect. That's some skill right there, yeah.
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I will say he's got good timing, though. Check how he stamps his foot on the ground with every strike to get that "super-slap" sound effect. That's some skill right there, yeah.

He got that from whacthing lots of WWF..(NOT WWE!) Hulk Hogan, Captain Lou Albano, and Andre the Giant had all that down cold....

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Speed is an illusion. timing is key.

He has good mechanics instertion of the hips and mass, but those are for power more than speed.
As doughboy the quality of the vid adds to the illusion of speed. Also he also admits the theatrics of the noise.

Caveat - There's a difference between speed and quickness.

Thing is that in a self defense scenario I am sure he can hold his own. Its hard to counter when youre busy being smacked around.

p.s. that whimp with the bald at around 4:40 head needs to work in his abs, AND acting.

Still, I anjoy watching the show with american kempo. Its always entertaining.

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Some styles go straight to short, but I feel it's better to learn long first, then shorten.

Well yea, I mean you have to be able to get to short range to be effective there. Learning only short range is skipping out several other effective ranges.

Is Kenpo all short range ?

There's a difference between speed and quickness.

And there are different types of each. There is quickness of movement and also quickness of the mind. Someone can be very fast at taking a long way to do something, but somebody who moves slower, but finds a simpler, shorter route can still be faster.

So I would say this guy is fast. But does that mean effective ? I think speed is very important, but only a part of what is needed to be effective in MA.
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The question is do you think this guy is fast?

Yes.

If so, what do you see that you would say makes him fast?

He is performing choreographed moves on a compliant target that he has practiced many, many times. Repetition, pattern familiarity with no digression and the fact that he is the only thing in the frame that is moving. Against a non compliant antagonist or in a live setting he would not be nearly as fast or accurate, if at all.
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Agree with Doughboy about the framerate. Also, the sound effects are playing a big part - and there's definitely a bit of slight of hand occurring with the non-striking hand generally performing some kind of distracting motion. There were a couple of strikes in there that looked fairly fast though (one at 00.29 - the other at 3:57). It's be interesting to see how much power is generated in the strikes.
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It's be interesting to see how much power is generated in the strikes.

Not a lot. They are not intended to. They get the mind busy dealing with sbeing hit and haveing to act defensively. Also gives the defnder time to move or manipulate attackers positions (in theory) Thats why you alsy see the big finish at the end.
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