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When you look at the pictures of how many Galaxies are out there, it should really make you second guess any skepticism you may have about other life existing elsewhere. It makes me wonder, I look at how insignificant my life is compared to the entire universe (that we know of). Then again, thats the big question, What is the significance of my life and how does it play in the Big picture. Yet another awesome link Mei hua
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When you look at the pictures of how many Galaxies are out there, it should really make you second guess any skepticism you may have about other life existing elsewhere. It makes me wonder, I look at how insignificant my life is compared to the entire universe (that we know of). Then again, thats the big question, What is the significance of my life and how does it play in the Big picture. Yet another awesome link Mei hua

Great Post!
Exactly, when you look at all those different images, it really makes you wonder, not only at the grandeur of the universe as a whole, but at just what our place is in it.
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Scientists Observe Light Fighting To Escape Black Hole's Pull

June 28, 2002

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This illustration represents the immediate vicinity of the black hole, with the event horizon depicted as a black sphere.
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Scientists have found new evidence that light emanating from near a black hole loses energy climbing out of a gravitational well created by the black hole, a key prediction of Einstein's theory of general relativity.

Black holes are celestial objects with gravity so intense that nothing, not even light, can escape from them once past their boundary, called the event horizon. This makes a black hole invisible, but black holes reveal their presence by their strong pull on matter that is close to -- but not beyond -- their event horizons.

Astronomers want to observe the regions near black holes because they believe that a black hole's powerful gravity will warp the space and time next to it in accord with the bizarre predictions of Einstein's theory.

This observation of warped space, made with the Chandra X-ray Observatory and the XMM-Newton satellite, also offers a novel glimpse inside that chaotic swirl of gas surrounding a black hole, called an accretion disk: The scientists captured bright hotspots in small, localized regions within the disk, a crucial step needed to map such a region.

Dr. T. Jane Turner of NASA Goddard Space Flight Center and the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, is the lead author of an Astrophysical Journal letter published this week discussing these results.

This support for general relativity comes through an observation of a spectral characteristic of light typically seen emitted around black holes, called a "broad iron K line." With the one-two punch of Chandra's angular resolution and XMM-Newton's X-ray collecting ability, Turner and her colleagues could determine that this spectral feature is a result of strong gravity stealing energy from the light, as Einstein predicted.

"The observation rules out several competing theories attempting to explain the broad iron line," Turner said. "We find that Einstein's predictions ring true."

The dual X-ray observation was of a galaxy named NGC 3516, which is thought to harbor a supermassive black hole in its core. (Black holes come in a variety of sizes; supermassive black holes are the heavyweights, weighing in at millions to billions of times the mass of the Sun.) Gas in this central region glows in X-ray radiation as it is heated to temperatures in the millions of degrees under the force of the black hole's extreme gravity.

Spectral characteristics are features in a graph of light energy, called a spectrograph, which resembles a jagged line with peaks (emission lines) where light shines brightly at a specific energy. In a laboratory, iron gas bombarded with X rays emits them as a result, producing a spike at a specific energy in a spectrograph.

In space, this spike is distorted, depending on the physical conditions in the emitting gas. Hot gas orbiting an object, for example, has a double-horned profile due to the Doppler effect. That is, some gas is moving towards us, slightly boosting the energy of its X-ray emission, and other gas is moving away, slightly reducing the energy of its X-rays. This results in a spectral line with two peaks, one for the boosted X-rays and one for the weakened ones.


Seyfert Galaxy NGC 3516
Credit: HST/UCLA/M.Malkan
Turner and her colleagues observed a very complex profile for the iron K line in NGC 3516. This line showed narrow spikes, likely the Doppler peaks from hotspots in the accretion disk lit up by flaring at 35- and 175-times the black hole radius. These narrow features sit atop a broad line component from light across the entire accretion disk, a spectral feature broadened by gravity's pull.

The combination of narrow and broad features supports Einstein's math, Turner said. Some scientists have suggested that the broad iron K line is due to Comptonization, a process in which light particles collide with electrons and lose energy. If Comptonization were afoot, even light emitted farther away from the black hole (at 35 and 175 radii away) would be broadened as this light interacts with electrons. The presence of the narrow features negates the Comptonization hypothesis and, when coupled with an average broad feature, strongly supports the predictions of general relativity.

The observation of flaring at 35- and 175-times the black hole radius -- a tribute to Chandra's sublime angular resolution -- may provide the first up-close look at a black hole accretion disk, a point of reference necessary to map out the entire disk.

"Observations such as these provide crucial constraints on the structure of the accretion flow and its magnetic field, as well as the exciting opportunity to study the physics in the extremely warped space-time surrounding a supermassive black hole," said Dr. Ian George, also of UMBC and NASA Goddard, a member of the observation team.

"Imagine looking at a distant sand dune," said Dr. Tahir Yaqoob of Johns Hopkins University, also on the team. "A familiar object on the dune, like a palm tree, could help you figure out the height of the dune and your distance from it. We have seen hotspots (the trees) in the gas flow (the sand dune) around a black hole. Using these hotspots will enable us to map the curved space-time around a black hole and also measure the rate at which the space-time is forced to rotate with the hole, providing yet further tests of Einstein's general relativity."

The flares that produced these hotspots may be due to a reconnection in the black hole's magnetic field, creating sparks in the accretion disk. The distance of 35 and 175 radii, in fact, may be a significant location for X-ray hotspots in other black holes, both massive and small, Turner said.

The new data may also offer a means to measure black hole spin, a prime goal among astronomers. The energies of the hotspots are a reflection of their distance from the black holes and the black hole spin rate. If one can accurately measure the tilt of the accretion disk from the broad iron K line, this would be a direct measure of black hole spin.

Turner's collaborators also include Dr. Richard Mushotzky of NASA Goddard; Dr. Steve Snowden and Dr. Paul Nandra of NASA Goddard and Universities Space Research Association; Dr. Hagai Netzer and Dr. Doron Chelouche of Tel-Aviv University; and Dr. Steve Kraemer of Catholic University.

XMM-Newton, launched in 1999, is operated by the European Space Agency. The NASA-built Chandra X-ray Observatory, also launched in 1999, is operated by the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics for the NASA Office of Space Science in Washington, D.C.

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What's interesting about this image, is that it looks like an eye.
And in the broader spectrum of science vs. religion, who's to say that this isn't how the idea of god was conceived, by someone seeing something like this and saying "wow! there's something watching me, but it's so big! so grand! it's giving off light, it must be something powerful"

And who's yet to say which is the correct view.




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What's interesting about this image, is that it looks like an eye.
And in the broader spectrum of science vs. religion, who's to say that this isn't how the idea of god was conceived, by someone seeing something like this and saying "wow! there's something watching me, but it's so big! so grand! it's giving off light, it must be something powerful"

And who's yet to say which is the correct view.






Good point, I've heard other opinions as well, like : Some of those stories in the bible are out there, Like something I would think up if I were drunk or shroomin. You know them Prophets favored the wine alot, They even talk about it all through the bible. You never know.
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Good point, I've heard other opinions as well, like : Some of those stories in the bible are out there, Like something I would think up if I were drunk or shroomin. You know them Prophets favored the wine alot, They even talk about it all through the bible. You never know.

You ever wonder why they did baptisms in the river? Because Jesus could turn water into wine!
We're talking massive liquor supply, who wouldn't want to become a Christian?
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You ever wonder why they did baptisms in the river? Because Jesus could turn water into wine!
We're talking massive liquor supply, who wouldn't want to become a Christian?


I do I do, where do I sign up ? point me in the direction of the water into wine production. "And he parted the red sea" ........."His wife turned into a salt statue" (I'm pretty sure it was salt, it was a damn statue in anycase)......."A snake was talking to Adam and Eve". "Noah built an ark on his own that would hold every animal/creature in the world,male and female, By himself".

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I do I do, where do I sign up ? point me in the direction of the water into wine production. "And he parted the red sea"

AND SO AS THE DARK CLOUDS PARTED LIKE THE SMOKE BEFORE A FAN, A GREAT BEACON OF LIGHT DESCENDED UPON US, WITH THE FEELING THAT WE WERE NO LONGER ALONE!
AND A GREAT OMINOUS VOICE, WHOSE PRESENCE FILLED US WITH AWE, SAID "SO LET IT BE DONE!" AND THE RED SEA WAS PARTED, AND AS IT PARTED, WE PARTIED DOWN!

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