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April 9th, 2008, 12:04 PM
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April 9th, 2008, 12:30 PM
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April 9th, 2008, 12:40 PM
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April 9th, 2008, 12:51 PM
|  | Mei Zhou Bao | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Douglasville,GA Style(s): Tang soo do,ShotoKan Year(s): 10
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April 9th, 2008, 12:53 PM
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That would have blown his head into a multitude of small bits.
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April 9th, 2008, 03:23 PM
|  | <--theguychangingmyavatar | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Land of Whales Style(s): Mei Hua Chuan/MMA Year(s): 21
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Rep Power: 220 | | | Agree the video was most likely a fake, even a ricochet from a .50 will do some damage, especially at that range.
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April 9th, 2008, 04:22 PM
|  | Weathered Post Master | | Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Griffin, GA Style(s): Praxis- All & None Year(s): 20
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The reason I'm asking is because
1.) Bullets travel faster than sound. That bullet had travelled a LONG way to get to the initial target.
2.) It did not ricochet at an angle, it came back at almost 180 degrees. A more acute angle would lend a lot less loss of velocity. A straight back ricochet at 180 degrees would cause it to lose a LOT of power because the bullet actually has to stop and reverse direction.
3.) After it hit the initial target and ricocheted it was no longer travelling straight, like a spiral football, but more like a "wounded duck", flipping end over end. This is evident by the shrill sound of the returning bullet. This also causes it to lose velocity.
4.) Then it had to travel a LONG way to get back to the shooter. The farther a bullet travels the more velocity it loses.
5.) It also hits the ground about 10-15 feet in front of him and bounces off before hitting his ear protectors. The contact with thee ground will cause even more velocity loss.
6.) The contact on the shooter was not direct. It was a glancing blow that hit his ear protectors.
The M107 has a maximum effective range of 2000 yds. with a maximum range of 7450 yds. so even with no interferrence the bullet will slow down lose power and eventually drop to the ground because of gravity. At 2000 yds it will shatter your head like a canteloupe. AT 7000 yds it would put a hole in you... at 7450 yds it probably wouldn't be that destructive.
That being said, it may very well be fake and you guys may have seen some other sight that documents it and proves it's a fake... I have no idea. What I'm saying is that from simply viewing the video there is nothing there that is beyond incredible. That bullet was travelling at a mere small, small percentage of rate when it actually hit the ear guards because of so many outside forces that had decreased the velocity of the bullet. I'm sure if the bullet had hit him square in the face instead of the ear guard then he would not have had a pleasant evening.
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April 9th, 2008, 08:50 PM
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The .50 caliber bullet flies at over 2500 FPS.
It is usually in multiple pieces after it's hit a 'hard' target (a non-personnel hit) because of the speed of the bullet.
The likeliness of it hitting a target and richocheting (sp) at almost exactly 180 degrees, still being intact enough to hear the sound of the spin, and hitting those ear protectors without hitting the person is an extremely, unlikely, if not impossible, scenario.
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April 9th, 2008, 11:59 PM
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Rep Power: 168 | | | It didn't have to be in tact. What hit his earguards could have only been a fragment (and would actually be more likely).
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April 10th, 2008, 12:00 AM
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Rep Power: 54 | | | Sure could have, but are you telling me that a fragment of steel the size (most likely) of a bb is going to be able to break ear protection like that? I doubt it.
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April 10th, 2008, 01:47 AM
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Yes, even a fragment will have some effect.
If that's true and that was what happened, I don't know, I still doubt that, why only have vid of that shot and not any of his other shots? Seems suspicious  | 
April 10th, 2008, 01:56 AM
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It would've lost so much speed and energy by that point though...
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April 10th, 2008, 01:59 AM
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Rep Power: 220 | | | Aye, but he's still within a close proximity to the target, so the fragment would still have a solid velocity even at a 180 | 
April 10th, 2008, 02:04 AM
|  | Mei Zhou Bao | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Douglasville,GA Style(s): Tang soo do,ShotoKan Year(s): 10
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But we never did see where he was firing. So you can't say that for sure.
Other than the fact that he was most likely untrained, therefore wouldn't be able to hit anything past 7-800 yards or so.
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April 10th, 2008, 03:11 AM
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Rep Power: 168 | | | “ | but are you telling me that a fragment of steel the size (most likely) of a bb | ” | |
No. I didn't assume any size at all for the fragment. If there was even a fragment at all it could be the size of a BB, or it could have been the rest of the slug minus the BB fragment. There's no way to know. Like I said, it very well could be fake but there is nothing readily apparent in the vid that proves it is fake. What is depicted in the vid is very possible. | “ | If that's true and that was what happened, I don't know, I still doubt that, why only have vid of that shot and not any of his other shots? | ” | |
Because the other ones did not ricochet and knock his ear guards off?
The rest of them were probably uneventful.
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