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Old August 16th, 2008, 10:58 AM
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Real Life Self-Defense . . . LMAO

I don't if any of you have seen this, but I think I'm going to go lock myself in a closet for a week mastering these uber sweet moves!


Do people really buy this nonsense?
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Old August 16th, 2008, 11:20 AM
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You know a few of those might have worked if they did something else like of kick there knees out and break there nose....Gotta love people who dont understand what they are trying to teach.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 11:38 AM
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Superb. They should've called it "facial hair the gracies are scared to grow"...
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Old August 16th, 2008, 01:19 PM
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They should've called it "facial hair the gracies are scared to grow"...

LOL

Total BS. There may be one or two ok things in there, but they are eclipsed by the nonsense. I mean, knee to the face. Yes, it works very well, but there are so many flaws in the setup you aren't gonna get the chance to use it.

Firstly, where is the aggression ? You can break down a move on tape, but then show it at full force as well. I didn't realise these days people just stand across from each other and exchange like rock 'em sock 'em bots

That choke defense. hahahha. Seriously ? Yes there is a pressure point there, and if you just stand there like an idiot it does hurt and make you want to go down. In reality, the person will likely grab and/or shrug your finger off as soon as it touches and continue to mash you. This applies to his "grab the hair" technique as well. In general, if you grab someone's hair, they will tend to grab your hands with their hands, to relieve the pressure from the pulling hair. It's a natural response. Where is it in the video ? Same with the finger in the neck. My first natural reaction is to grab his finger and relieve the pressure, not to just continue to reach for his neck like a zombie.

His technique for "attacks from the guard" is not so bad in essence, but he lacks the correct energy ( mainly explosiveness ) for it to be effective against a strong attack. This situation comes up fairly often in my sparring sessions. My form is similarish to the vid, but I like just one or two quick shots to scare him of long enough for me to stand, or if he's too close, I shoot or crash ( if I can get to my knees ), or pull guard if I'm on my back. Unless, I give my sparring partner kicks that he is afraid to come near, and get up very quickly, he is going to circle me, then as he times a kick, he will grab my foot, push it off to the side ( rolling me in the process onto my side ) and get a dominant position. He loves going for armbars from there.

My main complaint is really his lack of energy. He has no explosiveness in his hips on the ground. Even moves that work very well, are hard to do against a trained opponent. It's like Bas Rutten says, you have to work for everything in a fight, because nobody is going to give you anything, if they can help it. You don't get a submission, you make a submission ( or knockout or whatever ).

another example of unrealistic application of a working anatomical principle, is the Low Kicks section. If someone stands like that without moving around, and they relax the muscles in their leg, then yes, if you do that you will bust their knee. Should be fairly easy to dislocate the knee or tear something bad. But in reality, as soon as someone goes into combat ( or other physical activity ), they are going to move around, and the muscles in the legs are going to be blasting away. Then when you try the same thing, all you do is kick the guy in the knee and then he punches you in the head or whatever. Not much effect. Maybe there is the off-chance you will catch his leg as it is fully straightened, but it's not likely.

I do plenty of thrust kicks against various parts of my training partner's legs, and he's never complained about that kick before. The thing is, I use them for distancing, slowing aggression, and for setups. It's no fight stopper.

The back control section. no comment. sigh.

In the Advanced Joint Locks that follows, I have found similar locks can sometimes happen and be somewhat effective in combat, though the problem with sparring with those locks, is that to make them effective you have to do them fast and hard, which is risky and disrespectful to your sparring partner. When done slowly, they are very easy to just jerk out of. My main problem with this clip, is that nobody I know is going to put their hand on your chest like that, and I see it as the setup for so many MA techniques. GRRRRRRRR.

It's also in my experience that the double handed choke, is not normally a street attack, or random attack. It is more likely a crime of passion where the victim knows the attacker. Someone with aggressive intent, may grab your throat with one hand and punch your face with the other while pushing you backwards aggressively. The technique from the vid then becomes totally useless. If he puts the finger against your throat you can use it as an opportunity to slip under his arm ( circling from his finger ) and lift him and dunk him on the ground.

Last comment. The video ends weirdly. " I am a smoker. A lot of people are smokers " ( cut to next scene ). Very odd.

Anyways, would love to hear other people's opinions.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 03:02 PM
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I think the knee on belly sweep is a joke. One, I've only a few times seen someone actually sit in knee on belly. Second, wouldn't you just posture the support leg out for more stability, naturally even, stopping thee "sweep".

Also, I think if you spit your drink in someone's face, you're only going to get yourself stabbed.
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I think this is the only site which would discuss that video seriously...

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No energy not realistic. HAs a few techniques that could work but are being used totally wrong and there are better ways.....Like in stead of the finger in throat just punch its more effective.
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I'm with John, must've been a joke.....
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I think the knee on belly sweep is a joke. One, I've only a few times seen someone actually sit in knee on belly. Second, wouldn't you just posture the support leg out for more stability, naturally even, stopping thee "sweep".

Again, it's a case of using the wrong energy. Kneeling on someone can be a good tactic, but it's not normally done as a static position. The idea, is that when you are ground fighting, you must make your opponent work for everything he does. You apply pressure to him in every way possible, so if you are climbing on top of him, then kneeling on him will add irritating pressure AKA a distraction/setup. A good example is if you can pin his own arm to his chest with your knee, it gives you a couple seconds where you have two hands and he has one ie: time to get some good shots in.

I'm with John, must've been a joke.....

Really ? I think they were serious. Who is this guy in the clip ?
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Do people really buy this nonsense?

Man I hope not. Those douchebags weren't even remotely entertaining.

At least one of them could have had an eye patch, maybe a phony hand
that you could change with different weapons.
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“ Originally Posted By: joyseau
Do people really buy this nonsense? ”

Man I hope not. Those douchebags weren't even remotely entertaining.

If people buy the "no touch knockout" ( and they do ! :O ), then I'm sure this sort of stuff will hook a few people.
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No touch knockout?!?!?!
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You've never heard of Yellow Bamboo, huh ?
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You have to be kidding
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