Rising to the Challenge...

“	Originally posted by Philip Oh really They teach you to shatter knees, tear out eyes and break elbows/noses too Wing Chun is called a martial "art", but most people who see it used the way it's supposed to be used will call it something else.	”

Firstly, have you ever shattered someone's knees, tear out eyes and break elbows/nose How do you know your supposedly deadly technique ever work in the real fight

Secondly, bunkai fad in karate world is exactly taking the road you just described. Supposedly, there are hidden deadly techniques in karate kata which can only be discovered by bunkai. I personally I think it is silly. It is like saying that if you learn how to do eye poking, you can then outbox boxer.

Thirdly, because kyokushin karate emphasise bear knuckle full contact match without grappling element, Kokyshin karate tournament probably has the highest rate of injuries among the entire range of competition based martial arts including MMA. Instead of fantacising about applying deadly techinques, kyokushin fighters actually fight in the enviroment which could (and usually do) result in serious injuries if their defence fail.

If you ever come across Kyokushin dojo, check it out.

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As I took kyokushin I'm going to have to agree with Vap, the fights are generally quite brutal.

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“	Personally, I think it would be better for you to just beat them up as if you were sparring, ignoring the rules. Sure, you'll lose, but they'll be broken in half, and that's a moral victory, at least.	”

Sure, but I think FF has more class than that. Personally, I think if you have to resort to brawling, when it is not in the rules, then you SUCK. If you don't want to play by the rules, find another game.

<tsk tsk> I was expecting a bit more out of you old'folks

I think it's going to turn ugly.

nevilleb

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I woul look it as opportunity to test whether you can enter at WT range in karate competition. Most pointscoring type don't like to get it close.

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“	Originally posted by nevilleb I think it's going to turn ugly. nevilleb	”

Why Nev I have a lot of respect for these people and think of them as friends. I am interested in whether or not I can add what I have learnt from training WC to my Karate skills and make more of an impact.

Vap- That's it, I will learn a lot from it whatever way.

“	Originally posted by Lance HavockSure, but I think FF has more class than that. Personally, I think if you have to resort to brawling, when it is not in the rules, then you SUCK. If you don't want to play by the rules, find another game.	”

Thanks Lance and yes- there's not much point to trying to hurt them- they might be better and hurt me and anuway I could wander down any East-End pub and pretend to support Man U if I wanted to do that!


Nick- some great advice there thanks- I'll think about those things and work on them this week.

Having come from a Karate back ground, I think the off balancing stuff will phase these guys- the Chi Sau stuff as you said Nick- they won't know what it is or where it's coming from. I need to do a lot more practice agaisnt kicks and plan to train a lot more in the next few weeks with my friends who still train Karate.

Thanks for your advice everyone- very useful, I'll let you all know what happens!

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Noone can throw or land a kick if

a) he is standing too far away (you are not in the direction of the kick at that time - advance in a zigzag line, not a direct)
b) he is standing too near (i.e., stick in close range, follow, not allow making up room, go forward into a spinning kick so you jam it before the leg is straigthened)

The typical situation to get caught heavily from a spin kick is, he backs up going away, you follow too slow, and he fires from a step back, or sidewise. Do not chase, close distance when he is coming at you.

Remember you don't have to backup from kick jabs, you can jam them (raise, overturn, drill). Don't do that too hard.

If you cannot take it as game, do not fight.

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“	I think it's going to turn ugly.	”

It's can to turn ugly real quick.

“	Sure, but I think FF has more class than that. Personally, I think if you have to resort to brawling, when it is not in the rules, then you SUCK. If you don't want to play by the rules, find another game.	”

It is a whole different ball game when playing by new rules, and it may take time to adapt. Personaly I would say break them up through their pad FF and let them know what a fight is. Lance does make a good point though, if you don't want to play by the rules then don't play.

So find the rules, each competition varies. If possible use your boxing skills that you and tony train with.

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“	Originally posted by baichi	”

No insults Are you going soft Or is it just old age

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[quote]Originally posted by vap
[b] Firstly, have you ever shattered someone's knees, tear out eyes and break elbows/nose How do you know your supposedly deadly technique ever work in the real fight[b][quote]

I haven't, but a guy who trains at my school broke, someones arm, nose, and knee. It was a typical swiss
situation where someone doesn't like your hair and decides to attack you.

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“	Originally posted by vap competition based martial arts .	”

key word

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Fat - you have studied Karate so at least you know what to expect. They probably wont so you will have an automatic advantage. If you are fighting them in a point competition then all you can really expect them to throw are reverse puches, snap punches, backfists (possibly) and roundhouse kicks. The rest of trad Karate techniques dont really score in points comps (going off my own experience of them).
Remember not to fall into the trap of fighting them at their own game. Stick to what you know best. If you could try to rely on counter attacks (the speed from my WC training definatly outdoes my Karate days speed) and simultaneous blocking and attacking you will do fine.

I've got every faith in you!! Just dont show them up too much! Good luck!

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good luck bro...
think you'll do fine

Chief108

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Thanks Gents!

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“	Originally posted by Philip key word	”

Yes, indeed. I would again advice you to try out Kyokushin karate, or are you too afraid to find out what is in the box

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