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March 24th, 2004, 04:34 AM
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I thought I'd get some ideas out on unusual training out. Anything that just seems a little "weird", but also forces you to really think about the concepts of what you're doing instead of just thinking about the moves, or to look at aspects of your training that you'd normally ignore.
I haven't done them that much, but a couple I've tried were grappling with the hands tied behind the back and grappling with a gag. First thing about both of them is that they're tiring. Anyone who's ever done the drill in wrestling where you hold your hands behind your back, the other guy is in base, and you put your chest to their back and rotate around them back and forth should have the idea. It makes you realize how much you need the arms for little details. So far submissions have only happened after we're both really tired and can't think properly to get out of them, also mixed with the fact that most submissions aren't an option anyway. Triangle choke doesn't work for obvious reasons (none of us have figured out one that doesn't include the arm, although in theory doing a full lotus on someone's neck should do the trick). Submissions that have worked are from guard push one of your feet on their wrists. Extremely low percentage, it's like getting a bow & arrow or bannana split on someone in wrestling  Other one is Omoplata, but it only works if the guy forgets to roll out or you can get your body across their back without falling off.  I've also tried moving my arms to get a guillotine of sorts in but that's never worked. 
Ok, for gagging you could also just remember not to open your mouth, but that's rather hard to do. It really quickly illustrates how important proper breathing is, and also forces you to pace yourself. Basically what it does is prevents you from quickly exhaling carbon dioxide, so you slowly get a carbon dioxide buildup in your lungs, which leads to hyperventilating which leads to more buildup. Really quite frusterating, and of course tiring.
No, I haven't tried both together yet.
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March 24th, 2004, 09:53 AM
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Only joking!! How the hell do you grapple with your arms tied behind your back I don't think my skill level in grappling is even close enough to try that yet. I get gassed out pretty quickly just doing standard grappling.
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March 24th, 2004, 10:54 AM
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Also a puke bucket.
I keep telling my buddies I want to do this but I think they are chiken.
Useing stupid excuses like "someone will get hurt". pu$$ies. As if that applies to the rest of the craze crap we do sober.
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March 24th, 2004, 11:41 AM
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I don't drink 
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March 24th, 2004, 11:55 AM
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Rep Power: 81 | | Oh yeah, but what if some gang of ruthless thigs kidnapped you and forced you to drink half a bottle of Jeager and the only way for you to escape was to wrestle the keys away from one of them
huh, what about that 
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March 24th, 2004, 12:03 PM
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March 24th, 2004, 12:14 PM
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Rep Power: 81 | | | Right but what if they force him to. Because they plan to gut him while he's drunk. And use the heavily alcoholled blood as an addative to a secret Ninja potion.
Duh
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March 24th, 2004, 12:51 PM
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March 24th, 2004, 01:57 PM
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Rep Power: 81 | | oK what about the one where you stand in front to of your partner and take turns kicking eachother in the junk. 
um... come on don't tell me I'm the only one who does that
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March 24th, 2004, 02:17 PM
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Posted By: PaiLumUmar
You could also try drinking a fifth of tequila then grappling. Make sure tyou have at least one sober person there to keep some force & time control.
Also a puke bucket.
I keep telling my buddies I want to do this but I think they are chiken.
Useing stupid excuses like "someone will get hurt". pu$$ies. As if that applies to the rest of the craze crap we do sober. | ” | |
Thats an awsome idea!!! I'll gladly try that!! hahahahaha.
But the kicking people in the 'junk' idea... thats not for me. i need my junk, i don't know, call me a packrat, but i'm not looking to mess up any of it
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March 24th, 2004, 02:37 PM
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But what some of those crazy shaolin monks do is crazy too! Dragging things with their junk and such. Nastiness.
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March 24th, 2004, 02:39 PM
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But what some of those crazy shaolin monks do is crazy too! Dragging things with their junk and such. Nastiness. | ” | |
They must have edited that part out of their show the two times I saw them 
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March 24th, 2004, 03:01 PM
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March 24th, 2004, 03:10 PM
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Posted By: PaiLumUmar
oK what about the one where you stand in front to of your partner and take turns kicking eachother in the junk.
um... come on don't tell me I'm the only one who does that | ” | |
I can't find anyone who is willing to do that, so I use a baseball bat.
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March 24th, 2004, 03:11 PM
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Dragging from the junk.
My question has always been. Who thought that up and tried it the first time
OK and what purpose does it serve
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