Lidell vs. Silva

I watched a fight between these two where Lidell caught Silva with a beautiful spinning backfist. It landed right on target. Did anyone else see this. I know the fight happened a while ago but I just saw it on SPIKE t.v. I hope Chuuck starts his winning ways again. It looks good for him.

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Mark

I hope they fight again. I also hope Silva crushes Liddel's big fat mouth.

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“	Originally Posted By: KungFuMan I also learned a praying mantis fist style from watching the actual insect itself. This was before I actually learned some seven star mantis.	”

This fight changed Silva in my opinion. He is training and if his fight with Jardine is any testament, fighting like a new man.

Oh come on man, You don't like Liddell?

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Mark

I like Liddell and I also like Branden "the truth" Vera

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“	Originally Posted By: Jade_Dragon_03 Oh come on man, You don't like Liddell?	”

Lidell has a great left, excellent takedown defense and.... well he has a good left.

“	Originally Posted By: Toi Dit Jo Lidell has a great left, excellent takedown defense and.... well he has a good left.	”

The only thing that counts is the end result and he seems (from his win/loss record) to be doing pretty good.

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Silva is one of my fav top three fighters of all time ranked just below Royce Gracie and Fedor (in that order). Trust me when I tell you, within mma styles make fights and Silva loses to Chuck every single time they fight just as Jardine would and could consistently beat Chuck within any given re-match.

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I believe a human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, write a sonnet, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

MMA math is stupid bro.

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“	Originally Posted By: KungFuMan I also learned a praying mantis fist style from watching the actual insect itself. This was before I actually learned some seven star mantis.	”

Bro: it isn't MMA math nor is it an "if then postulation". My assertions were based on the fact of addressing bad match ups based on an individual's strenghts and weaknesses.

For example, historically speaking, Silva has had a really hard time dealing with fighters with an excellent ground game which explains why most of his losses have come at the hands of fighters who have an excellent BJJ or wrestling base (henderson, arona, an almost loss to Jackson in the second fight during second round had the bell not saved him, and CHUCK). Silva's style of fighting is basically stand in front, minimal lateral movement, and go for the wide haymaker or clinch. That's Wand 101. Now, he beats Jardine - why - because Jardine will not back peddle and counter effectively. That's why Jardine's trainer Greg Jackson took full responsibility for the loss instead of placing it on the performance of his fighter - due to lack of an effective and practical game plan that capitalized on Wand's weakness.

Secondly, and this is documented on Sherdog as well as other numerous MMA sites that I post on that are not as good as this site, that 16 months prior to chuck/jardine, I told everyone that Jardine is supposed to be the LHW champion because if he fights Chuck, Jardine has the ability to beat him. Why? Well, b/c Chuck's weird angles of striking don't work effectively against NON-TRADITIONAL/UNORTHODOX boxers, especially if you are a southpaw. Well, not that Jardine may be a lefty, but he sure as heck isn't orthodox by any means, look at his stance, his arm positioning, hell even his stutter/clumsy (which is intentional) footwork.

After reading the analysis above (which is not all inclusive of points I could have made but for the sake of time/space was shortened), that is why I made the assertions that those fights will continually favor one fighter over another, i.e. chuck over wand, or wand over jardine. What it is not, is a - hey if wand beat jardine and jardine beat chuck, then wand should beat chuck. Again, that is not the argument.

Matter of fact, that is mma math, so I fail to see how one could conclude that my previous post was MMA math, when my statements were actually to the contrary. Try MMA reasoning which is based on the fact that past performance is a fairly accurate indicator of future behavior, with a margin of error of course.

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I believe a human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, write a sonnet, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

My MMA reasoning also said CroCop > Kongo and GSP > Serra (in their first fight).

Sh!t happens. That's why I don't even try to predict anymore.

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“	Originally Posted By: KungFuMan I also learned a praying mantis fist style from watching the actual insect itself. This was before I actually learned some seven star mantis.	”

“	...that are not as good as this site...	”

lol, quick little plug there!

and sorry fedor, saku and silva...

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Well, there is no doubt about it that the unpredictable happens in the cage. I mean to your point, who in the world ever thought Cro Cop would come into the UFC and lose two out of his three fights? Yes - you are 100 percent corrent that there are definitely uncertainties. However, let's look at Cro Cop specifically. Isn't it also noteworthy that one of the most analytical mma minds in the sport, Mr. Randy Couture was the ONLY, I repeat, ONLY person to officially go on record prior to the Gonzaga fight to predict that Gonzaga would win. This is all fact and all true - search the UFC archives.

Now what am I getting at? Well, there are clear situations where when two individuals whom may be matched in skill level are actually disproportionately pitted against one another, thus one having the advantage over another. Why? Not because of whom they beat in the past, but rather the gameplan and their skill SET matches disproportionately against another fighter (and for the most part, when all things are equal in skill level, then the advantage falls in favor of the skill set). Now MMA math would say: Since Cro Cop beat Herring, and Herring beat Kongo, then Cro Cop will beat Kongo. However, as history has proven, not such a case. However, what it did come down to between Cro Cop and Kongo was - well ..you saw the fight.

That RIGHT THERE is my point in case.

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I believe a human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, write a sonnet, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

Bobblehead, hey man you raise an interesting point but I won't elaborate on it because that would be the topic for a different thread. But, I must say, you make a compelling argument that I have heard from numerous professionals in the sport regarding Sakuraba. The argument has been that Saku is actually the best MMA fighter to have lived and competed to date. Though I see you listing him as your number 2 fav, it still makes a credible point that's been proliferated throughout mma experts.

Maybe in another thread we can start or maybe via email, I's like to hear your reasoning behind Saku. Every argument I've heard to date in favor Saku has literally been hard to invalidate. I'm not looking for debate, I sincerely just would like to hear your reasoning, because I am actually close to becoming a believer.

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I believe a human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, write a sonnet, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

I will put one simple reason, and i should have said those were in no real order (and Royce is certainly up in the top 5).
Saku as an individual, went toe to toe with the greatest fighting family of our time, and was successful on more than one occasion using a historically significant (re the Gracie family) technique.
He took it to the champs at their own game.

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