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July 27th, 2005, 08:15 AM
|  | Beginner | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Style(s): Traditional Wing Chun
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hey, im new around here, nice forum.
does anyone know (or tried) wing chun in a Tae-Kwon-Do competition while complying with all the rules? Does anyone think it would be effective without breaking the rules?
it's an interschool tournament, and i've heard TKD rules can be pretty strict, limiting it to kicks, no grappling ... no headshots...
I do Traditional Wing Chun, under Grandmaster William Cheung in Melbourne
So does anyone think it could work? |
July 27th, 2005, 08:25 AM
| | El Guapo #2  | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Liverpool, UK Style(s): Judo & BJJ Year(s): 4
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Rep Power: 30 | | | It's point striking, not fighting, so I don't think you'll score points very easily since wing chun doesn't have any high kicks to the chest/back. |
July 27th, 2005, 08:25 AM
|  | Super Moderator     | | Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: South East England Style(s): Sinclair Wing Chun Year(s): 8
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Rep Power: 100 | | I've trained some with TKD boys and found it pretty easy really. You just need to move inside their range. Put pressure on them and they turn their back!
You might also find this thread interesting World Style TKD
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July 28th, 2005, 08:34 AM
|  | when TKD strikes | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Delhi, India Year(s): 8
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Rep Power: 37 | | | “ | I've trained some with TKD boys and found it pretty easy really. You just need to move inside their range. Put pressure on them and they turn their back! | ” | |
I always cringe whenver i read it.. but unfortunately it's TRUE. *sigh*.
FF.. I must avenge my TKD brothers
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July 28th, 2005, 10:53 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | Bring it on Varun!
Winner takes the loser out for a curry, ok?  |
July 28th, 2005, 11:21 AM
| | when TKD strikes | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Delhi, India Year(s): 8
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Rep Power: 37 | | well FF then I suggest you should find a nice curry place Cuz I m not losing at any cost
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July 28th, 2005, 11:58 AM
| | Beginner | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Style(s): Traditional Wing Chun
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Rep Power: 0 | | | well thanks fellas, i might check it out the tournament
TKD has too many rules......... |
July 28th, 2005, 12:35 PM
| | when TKD strikes | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Delhi, India Year(s): 8
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Rep Power: 37 | | | “ | TKD has too many rules......... | ” | |
nah..
just don't kick below belt. no eye gauges, bites pushing(grappling) are allowed
u can't use knees n elbows too...
face punches is allowed in ITF but only as Black belt level.. not sure about other styles
you'll get 1 point for 1 punch normally and 2 point for kick..
if it's jumping kick then it's 3/4...
I m talkin about ITF here.. WTF doens't give points on punching thats why they practice lots of kicks...
-TkdWarrior- |
July 29th, 2005, 05:21 AM
| | Beginner | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Style(s): Traditional Wing Chun
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Rep Power: 0 | | | in TKD, what do u define as a "grapple"?
a larp sao block? can i push them to make them lose their balance, can i hold onto them in any way? |
July 29th, 2005, 05:37 AM
| | when TKD strikes | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Delhi, India Year(s): 8
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Rep Power: 37 | | u can find somewat pushing but no grabbing or grappling of any sort... TKD tourneys are basically striking tourneys.. but no throwing off someone with pushing.. it'll get u "fine" point.
I dunno about lap sao block. if it's the one where you trap the attacking lead hand n remove it then you can go with it  . just make sure you make it look like you r deflecting a punch
the basic difference in WTF n ITF tourney is..
that WTF is more of(not exactly) point sparring based. and ITF isn't.
Point sparring is simple to understand.. the moment someone scores, ref stops the fight and then it starts again...
If you are fighting in TKD tourneys doen's matter ITF or WTF..
TKD tourneys are based on lot of countering
Don't go outside the middle range or you'll be whacked with kicks.. even myself hav practiced some whacky combinations where opponent wont notice form where the kick is coming...
If you check out some International and asia-pacific Tourneys of ITF. you'll be surprised by their skill.. it's isn't something you normally see on Mcdojos.
oh ya.. compared to ITF guys WTF doesn't keep their hands up .. cuz most of them wear protective gears n no points in dodging/blocking/or strikin with hands.. If u just remember this about WTF you'll be able to rip most of em apart with good basic wing chun
ITF guys hav almost no protective gear.. the one we use is Cup, glove n shin protector... that's it... and moreover there r points with punches In Black belts fight
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July 29th, 2005, 05:50 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | Laap sau (deflecting hand)- you bridge and jerk the arm, it works like this
Bridge- in this instance with bong sau (wing arm) 
Then Laap & strike  |
July 29th, 2005, 09:42 AM
| | when TKD strikes | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Delhi, India Year(s): 8
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Rep Power: 37 | | | Oh I was close.. well you can do that.. as long as you dont actually grab it..
I dunno why I m telling you how to fight TKD guys.. it should be easy for KF'ers :P doens't it
-TkdWarrior- |
July 29th, 2005, 10:23 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | I used to spar a lot with some TKD buddies...
at the end of the day I always ended up teaching them chin na tho...
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July 29th, 2005, 11:05 AM
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Posted By: chief108
I used to spar a lot with some TKD buddies...
at the end of the day I always ended up teaching them chin na tho...
Chief108 | ” | |
A lot of my students are TKD-ers. We had a 6 week intensive college prep camp two years ago and about half the boys were TKD, a few were into BJJ, and one was a pretty good amature boxer. All Korean students around 17 - 19 years old. They took to ambushing me enmass at various points during the day (to break up the monotony). It was great! They'd plan out a set of signals and stuff and just suddenly jump from behind doors and plants and such! Some of these lads were pretty good, but they got a kick out of the fact that their old teacher could still take care of them. Not your typical prep camp. We broke doors and tables (and nearly one head), but everyone's SAT score went up a hundred points or so. |
July 30th, 2005, 10:01 AM
|  | Junior Member | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Style(s): Da Men Tao Year(s): 11
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Rep Power: 0 | | Like many in this world, I started TKD ages ago. I'm now in an art that has some similarities to WC. I suggest you wear them out. Kicking takes alot of energy and I've seen alot of the 'kicking arts' taken down by some well placed patience. (This depends on the time limits you will be dealing with of course.) Draw them out and give them targets to hit, just be prepared for the spectacular kicks they will throw at you.  They won't think about you just blocking and waiting for them to get winded. Then you can take them down by getting in close. But make sure that your strikes are broadcast a little more than usual, they aren't used to things like chain punching!
I've actually witnessed this tactic before, the kid had great results with it! | |
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