What has the potential to hit harder, punches or kicks?

“	Originally Posted By: PaiauM True. However, there are no unstoppable/unescapeable techniques, just varying degrees of difficulty.	”

Just a tad lost with this. Unstoppable/ unescapable?

“	Originally Posted By: Prime Fu very true but we are talking about which one has more potential power	”

Which I have answered. PaiauM brought up roundhouse, and I shared my opinion.

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Aqira, Kicks employ the strength of the body core and the root, just like punches.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua I take it you've never done a thrust kick? You can generate ten times the power with a thrust kick than either a straight punch or roundhouse kick, this kick is used to break legs and hips, and ribs, and cause massive internal damage in the belly.	”

Awe dude, thrust kicks deliver a whallop alright. Too bad some people will lean back while doing this, thinking they'll get better length in their kick. Not good.

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I greatly prefer punches and punches have many strategic benefits and reasons to be preferred.........but I don't think that automatically makes'em more powerful.

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“	Originally Posted By: mok Hey I do Hung Gar, which is more hands than feet, but even I recognize legs have more power than arms. True, there is the question of targets and skill to consider as well. Much easier to punch someone up above, than kick. But if we ignore that, which would you rather take from: A) punches to the head from someone who'se mounting you? B) ****kicking to the head from his friend? I pick (A).	”

Uh, depends. It seems to me B automatically includes A...

Sometimes you are just laying there and everybody's kicking.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua I take it you've never done a thrust kick? You can generate ten times the power with a thrust kick than either a straight punch or roundhouse kick, this kick is used to break legs and hips, and ribs, and cause massive internal damage in the belly.	”

Yes, but they normally lack the speed a punch has, and speed is a major factor (to the front and back that is, side thrust kicks are very fast and powerful, I have no idea why I didn't mention them). But in the end, like the style which is best for you, some people will do better and be more powerful with one technique than another.

Oh, by unstoppable/unescapeable I ment you can't block/evade/jam/cut off/etc.

“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua I take it you've never done a thrust kick? You can generate ten times the power with a thrust kick than either a straight punch or roundhouse kick, this kick is used to break legs and hips, and ribs, and cause massive internal damage in the belly.	”

LOL, you've got it right on the money. There is a reason people kick doors down and not punch them down. Under that kind of force, someone would break their fist.

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“	Originally Posted By: PaiauM Oh, by unstoppable/unescapeable I ment you can't block/evade/jam/cut off/etc.	”

LOL.... why that sounds like everything we do, well... minus the block part. IMHO, any strike can be stopped, it's just a matter of what angle.

“	Originally Posted By: Jubei There is a reason people kick doors down and not punch them down. Under that kind of force, someone would break their fist.	”

LOL... hell yeah. Although I will also say that doors are grounded, while we have the option of coming forward, jamming. Which would especially suck for those that lean back while doing a thrust kick.

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“	Originally Posted By: PaiauM Yes, but they normally lack the speed a punch has, and speed is a major factor (to the front and back that is, side thrust kicks are very fast and powerful, I have no idea why I didn't mention them). But in the end, like the style which is best for you, some people will do better and be more powerful with one technique than another.	”

Yes, but this thread was only about what is more powerful, there was nothing saying you couldn't use both, so while I'm using my hands to block, entangle, or strike with speed, that one thrust kick I get in, while it may be slow, will take out my opponent's base and win the fight for me.

It also works very well as a combination technique, grab and trap someones arm, twist, and pull while thrust kicking the hip, you break the hip and tear the arm out of the socket, ouch!

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“	Originally Posted By: aqira something to consider a good strike comes from the whole body including the leg, but does a good kick include the arm?	”

The arms aid momentum...

The only head-height kick I perform in training is a roundhouse. To perform this quickly while fully utilising a twist of the hips to maximise the power, I use the momentum of my arms to aid with the twist. I have tried the kick while keeping my arms still and the power is lacking.

I've seen a lot of kickers use their arms to aid momentum.

Any kickers out there agree?

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While it does add a little momentum, I'd say that the arms provide more balance while performing the kick. Everything else comes from the twist in the hips, and the pivot from the grounded foot.

Thrust kicks slow? Depends on how you do it.

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“	Originally Posted By: jawsman . Thrust kicks slow? Depends on how you do it.	”

Well, slow compared to many other techniques. It makes it more like a push than a strike, and I'd rather be pushed with impact than struck with impact. But if you could give a trust kick the "snap" of say a straight punch, that would really be something to fear.



Note: By snap I do not mean make it a snap kick, that's something entirely different. I mean make it fast enough so as soon as the energy is transfered (into the target, not to onto the target) the leg retracts/stops so no energy is wasted. Most trust kicks follow the target in too far, letting a lot of energy go to waste in the process.

“	Originally Posted By: PaiauM Well, slow compared to many other techniques. It makes it more like a push than a strike, and I'd rather be pushed with impact than struck with impact. But if you could give a trust kick the "snap" of say a straight punch, that would really be something to fear.	”

Agreed. This is what I was reffering to. Push different than thrust.

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“	Originally Posted By: StormMountain I greatly prefer punches and punches have many strategic benefits and reasons to be preferred.........but I don't think that automatically makes'em more powerful.	”

i agree i don't kick a great deal and i like to punch more and i set things up better with puches but i think that kicks have the potential to be more powerful.

there is a huge difference between snapping a kick and just pushing with it.
now as far as the arms go it is a pet peev of mine for people to lower their hands and opening up when they kick, it seems stupid to me am i just misunderstanding what they are doing?

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