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December 22nd, 2005, 11:17 AM
|  | I'm a Dragon By Choice  | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: PEI, Canada Style(s): Kajukenpo Ch'uan Fa / SW Year(s): 7+
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There are two catagories I place people in :
Technical
Practical
Although you must learn the technical aspect of techniques ... the question is are you a Technician or Practisioner (sp?) ???
I see alot of teachers teaching the technical aspects of Martial Arts ... but often leave out the Practical aspects.
IE: Alot of techniques state to go to the outside-front quarter of the attacker ... often from straight line attacks. Although this is technically sound because this limits the number of follow up strike the attacker can perform and is the "safest" place to be ... this lacks practicality IMO. What if someone threw a hook or hay maker ... you tend to walk into it. I avoid ducking ... don't like the risk factors involved, unless totally necassary.
Practical ... step inside on a 45 degree angle with one arm up to "block" (use this term loosely as it can mean several things .. ie redirect ..etc) and strike with that "block" , turning hips to generate more effective strikes... then follow up. The "block" often leads to trapping ... etc.
Alot of people will say ... no no no .. because what if the person throw the other hand??? ... that's what the effective strike is performed .. to cause the shock factor or possibly the knock out / stun / distraction - to give time for the follow up actions.
This can go on and on ... but I would like to know if you're a technical or practical MAist. and Why or what is your view on this. No argueing just discussions. I placed this here and not in the Battlefield to avoid the argueing.
Some food for thought.
Eric (thanks for sharing in advance as I won't be on much this holiday season) |
December 22nd, 2005, 11:46 AM
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Rep Power: 64 | | | I'm both. I'm a visual mathematician as psychologists may say and have a very analytical mind. I can view any shape or object in any 3D environment in my mind's eye. Some people learn the motions, the "choreography," first and once they have those down they'll start learning applications. That works for them, not me. I start by learning purpose or intent of the move I'm about to learn. Then after I visualize what my opponent will be doing I can adapt it to multiple variations. Basically by analyzing the situation to death, I can adapt and improvise as needed. "Moves" have limited use. Principles can be applied to anything.
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December 22nd, 2005, 11:54 AM
| | I'm a Dragon By Choice | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: PEI, Canada Style(s): Kajukenpo Ch'uan Fa / SW Year(s): 7+
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Rep Power: 21 | | | Def. everything has purpose and reasoning behind it. That's what it's about ..repitition until understanding.
I tell my student's learn and understand the technical why's and reasonings behind the application and now apply it in a practical sense. Again ... learning and applying the tools to form your own "way" of self defence and fighting.
Thanks for sharing J
Eric |
December 22nd, 2005, 12:04 PM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | Practical. I hate it when things get over technical and I'm not very natural so I need to train my responses by doing things over and over again. |
December 22nd, 2005, 12:06 PM
| | I'm a Dragon By Choice | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: PEI, Canada Style(s): Kajukenpo Ch'uan Fa / SW Year(s): 7+
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Rep Power: 21 | | | But do you agree that the Technical side of techniques should be touched on and beat to death for understanding FF??
Eric |
December 22nd, 2005, 12:15 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | | | Technique must be always learned before you can do things practically.. imo.
But sure I try to learn thing as practically as possible.. that's what sparring is for
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December 22nd, 2005, 12:15 PM
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Rep Power: 64 | | | It depends on the person and how they learn. We've got an older fellow ( early 60's I'd imagine ) in our class that just started about a year ago. He's not a natural and requires a little extra instruction, but he works hard to get it down just right. So he may progress a little slower, but the effort he puts into it is amazing. Some others only need be shown something once or twice and they have it.
All people need repetition to really ingrain a movement into their muscles so it becomes natural. The difference is that some need extra reps just to be able to do the movement in the first place.
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December 22nd, 2005, 12:20 PM
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Rep Power: 21 | | | That's the only way to train the brain ... repetition. (damn me and my bad spelling... fixed that one befor J can shart on me .. lol)
Nice points guys !!
Eric |
December 22nd, 2005, 12:24 PM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | It is essential that things are technically correct, but for WC, your shapes are not really effective (ie practical) if they are not technically correct. So it may be important to keep you bridging arm forward, but if you train correct form this technicality should always be correct for a practical reason. |
December 22nd, 2005, 12:29 PM
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Rep Power: 21 | | | thanks for the explaination
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December 22nd, 2005, 12:34 PM
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December 22nd, 2005, 12:41 PM
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December 22nd, 2005, 12:56 PM
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I like to get into the technical aspects of techniques, to figure out thr reasoning behind its usage and how it would work otherwise in different situations, as well as how it should be performed for proper power development/distribution.
I like practicallity, because it's practical and works, my style puts alot of emphasis on practicallity, what works easiest and does the job of destroying an opponent, literally beating them into the ground while causing massive structural damage.
If you can combine the two, the better for you, because than you can adapt the soundness of technical applications with the reality of practical applications, to make them work more efficiently for you.
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December 22nd, 2005, 01:03 PM
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December 22nd, 2005, 01:15 PM
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This discussion is comparable to external/internal one.
You Gain Technical proficiency if you dont have from the beginning by repitition and testing.
Or
you Have very technical instruction from the begining then over time and repitition test the validityof the technique.
Both Seek to achieve the same goal but really why separate them. As stated above.
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