Bajiquan and Piquaquan

anybody have any information about these 2 styles

I had never heard of them until I saw the April 2002 issue of Inside Kung-fu. I know they're internal styles... so I guess that's a little bit more knowladge on the plate.

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I know I have an issue of IKF that has a lengthy article on Ba Ji by one of its foremost sifus....but i will have to look it up to really say anything about it....get back to you tomorrow afternoon!

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Baji is like an internal version of long fist.
Its VERY VERY powerfull...
They also have a tendency to stamp a lot and many of there movements involve and kind of forwards charging motion.
There is an excerlent Baji school in Sydney and ive met with a few of the guys and seen a little of there stuff.
At first it looks really odd and its hard to relate it to the internals but over time it starts to make more sence. Its power generation is definately internal and its one style i would NOT like to cop a hit from...

Great style much respect to it.

If any of master San Da Fa's Sydney Baji group are reading, props to you guys and ill be looking forward to performing alongside you on Monday night

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Bajiquan's original name is speculated to be ‘Baziquan' (Rake fist) due to the open fist, which is said to resemble a rake, used in a majority of the techniques. Another name is "Yueshan baji quan" ("Yueshan's Fist of Eight Limits"). Yueshan is used due to a legend that says bajiquan originated at the Yueshan temple of Jiaozuo county of Henan province.
Other interpretations of the Baji name are the denote the major points of the body (head, shoulders, elbows, hands, buttock, kua, knees, and feet) and to denote that jing is extended to the eight polar directions.

Bajiquan is a powerful infighting style. The practioners closes into close range and simple quick powerful movements. Legend has it that Bajiquan and Piquaquan where originally one art. It is said that Wu Rong, the daughter of Wu Zhoung the first recorded man of the baji lineage, taught only Piqua when she married. The two styles complement each other. Piqua is long ranged with sweeping arm movements like an eagle while Baji is short ranged powerful linear movements like a bear or pouncing tiger.


"baji" also means "the whole world"
The full name is "kai men baji quan", kai men meaning "open door/gate", with various interpretations (more coming up later)

long - dragon
hu - tiger
xiong - bear
ji - chicken
yuan - monkey
peng - "peng", a mythical bird
he - crane
tuo - ostrich
she - snake
lu - dear

Hand forms
ba da zhao - eight big methods The Badazhao are:

Yanwang san dian shou - Yama (king of hell) three point hand
meng hu ying pa shan - fierce tiger unyieldingly creeps the mountain
ying men san bu gu - greet at the door ...
bawang ying she jiang - the Bawang (hegemon) unyieldingly cracks the reins
yingfeng zhaoyang zhang - facing the wind rising sun palm
zuoyou ying kai men - left and right by force open gate
huangying shuang bao zhao - oriole double embrace claws
li di tongtian pao - stand on the ground ... heaven cannon


liu da kai - six big openings
The Liudakai are
ding, bao, dan, ti, kua, and chan. Literally, ding means gore/butt, and chan means twine, and the others mean to carry in various ways.

liu zhoutou - six elbow-ends
baji xiao jia - baji small frame/fight/fend off
ying shou quan - answering hand boxing
bajiquan - eight extremes boxing
gang gong baji - steel working baji
baji shuang gui - baji double ruts
si lang kuan quan - four gentleman relaxed/broad boxing
tai zong quan - great forefather boxing
taizu quan - great ancestor (=dynasty founder) boxing
hua quan - magnificent/prosperous (=Chinese)boxing
fei hu quan - flying tiger boxing

Weapon sets:
ye zhan dao - night fighting broadsword
liu he da qiang - six harmony (=all directions)big spear
liu he huaqiang - six harmony blossom/flower spear
ti liu piaoyao dao - carry willow flutter broadsword
lianhuan jian - linked rings (=continuous) sword
jiu gong chun yang jian - nine palace (=modes of Ch. music) pure yang sword
dan zhi gou - single only hook
baji jian - baji sword
ye zhan jiu men shisan dao - night fighting nine gates thirteen broadsword
chunqiu dao - spring autumn broadsword
xingzhe bang - xingzhe *Buddhist monk before his tonsure* stick, AKA zhen shan gun - shake mountain staff
ba guntou - eight staff-ends
dui zha da liu he qiang - mutual thrusts big six harmony spear
shuang pan qiangdian - double set spear points
AKA hua da ganzi - slippery big pole
da liu he dao - big six harmony broadsword
xiao liu he dao - small ...
xuepian dao - snowflake broadsword
wan sheng shuang dao - ten thousand victories broadsword
lan ma jue pu dao - hold back horse protrude rush broadsword
yue xia jian - moon rosy clouds sword
qing ping jian - green duckweed sword
shuang ji gou - double halberd hook
yan chi tang - wild goose wing boring

Note : One master of Baji quan living in Taiwan (Liu Yunqiao 1909 - 1992) used to teach Baji quan along to Pigua quan. One of his direct disciple is world-known Xu Ji (Adam Hsu), who teaches now in USA and in many countries.

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http://www.cyberkwoon.com/html/article.phpsid=188

For more on Piquaquan

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Thanks!

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Lone Tiger, were is the baji school located in sydney
Do they teach piqua zhang with the baji
Do they have a website

Im very interested in these 2 northern styles from what i've heard they are very powerfull & compliment each other well. Baji bridges the gap & destroys the opponent from in close, sounds a little similiar to Hung ga, getting in close & useing short power. And Piqua i've heard is a long arm style generating its power from its waist & always flowing with its long range movements that are attacking in continious combos, this sounds similiar to the way Choy Lee Fut fights.

I've got a old blitz mag. & at the back in the club directory there is the "Avalon Martial Arts Academy", teaching traditional Chinese kung fu: Baji Quan, Chin na, Honan Shaolin, Southern Dragon Boxing, Qi Gong, Tai Chi as well as combative grappling & stav: The Ancient nordic art of weaponry & spiritual development.

Sounds like a good school teaching some excellent styles, have u heard of this school Also is this the Baji school u mentioned
Does anyone here train at this place

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Hi GOLDEN ARMOR

"were is the baji school located in sydney"
* Its out west but im not sure on the exact location, i can ask on Monday night if your interested

"Do they teach piqua zhang with the baji"
* Im not sure of this, they teach Baji, xing yi, Tai Chi and Mongolian wrestling. Also iron body chi gung, which ive seen Master San Da Fa demonstrate VERY effectively.

"Do they have a website"
* Im not dead sure on that, the name of there school is simply 'Wudang kung fu' again ill have to ask them.

"I've got a old blitz mag. & at the back in the club directory there is the "Avalon Martial Arts Academy", teaching traditional Chinese kung fu: Baji Quan, Chin na, Honan Shaolin, Southern Dragon Boxing, Qi Gong, Tai Chi as well as combative grappling & stav: The Ancient nordic art of weaponry & spiritual development."
* Ok im not DEAD sure on this BUT...
I THINK these are the same schools, from memory most of Master San Da Fa's students where students of that place in Avalon but for some reason it closed down. They are now basicaly all with Master San Da Fa, some of them still practice the Lung Ying(southern Dragon) and ive even seen them demonstrating sets at demonstrations.
However i know they dont LEARN Lung Ying any more, just a few of them keep practicing there old forms and becouse there fast and fluid they often use them in demonstrations.
So yeah i think that the Avalon school is now under master San Da Fa but as stated im not dead sure on that.

I will have to ask around some more and find out if your interested just let me know, preferably before monday night. Ill try and find out what i can for you.

I will say there a great bunch of guys and Master San Da Fa's skill is excerlent.

Last time i saw Master San Da Fa...

He laid down on broken glass before having two massive heavy stone slaps placed on his chest. Then his student stood on top of the slabs - and him...
Then his student got off and began smashing the slabs with a sledge hammer. When the first slab broke it fell strait onto Master San Da Fa's face, he hardly budged, his student lifted the half slab off his head, he spat out some rock and crit and informed his student to keep smashing away...
After both of the slabs were broken he stood up and dispite many red marks and bits of glass stuck to his back not ONE piece broke the surface or caused bleeding.
I also watched 3 volunteers out of the dinner we were at try to push a metal rod though his neck only to have the rod bend in half.
It was a SOLID rod, he showed it around the crowd before the demonstration.
As stated there very impressive

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PACHI CHUAN
One of the oldest systems of marital arts, dating back 5000 years to the Huang Di Dynasty, Pachi Chuan was traditionally only taught to the Emperor's guards. It is a very martial and efficient system, projecting explosive energy in a direct path much like a cannon. In Pachi Chuan, the student focuses not on deflecting the opponent's blows, but rather on penetrating his attack to overwhelm him. This system is so powerful that during the Ching dynasty it was the official system of the Emperor's Court. The modern-day master of Pachi, Li Shu-Wen, trained students who later served as personal bodyguards to Mao Tse-Tung, Chiang Kai-Shek, and the last Emperor, Pu-Yi.

PIKUA CHUAN
Pikua Chuen is one of the least recognitioned styles of Kung Fu. Few people outside of China have learned this powerful system. According to certain records the style originated in the district of Chang, of the Province of Hou Pei (Hebei), especially in the region of Lau Tan. One of the most respected exports of this system is
Grand Master Liu Yuen Chiao.

This style is made up of a combination of the characteristics of the Gibbon (long arms of the Monkey, and the Eagle). This antique system has movements designed exclusively for combat which required long range strokes, so allowing you to react almost immediately at the first sign of attack. The energy is concentrated in the waist and then is transmited rapidly to the arms and legs.

PAKUA CHUAN
Pakua translates literally as "eight trigrams." Trigrams are philosophical symbols of the relationship between the microcosm (in the human body) and the macrocosm (in the Universe.) The fluid, circular motions of the body represent the trigrams in the I Ching, the Book of Changes; these postures balance the evergy in the body and create a sense of inner harmony. Pakua Chuan thus increases the circulation of internal energy.

The positions of Pakua, correctly adopted, transform the body into a sort of powerful antenna, able to attract universal forces. These universal forces are only awaiting for the appropriate vehicle in order for them to manifest. The benefits reaped; for health and general level of vitality are evidently felt and express themselves more than with any other style of martial art or sports. The movements of the Pakua stimulate the circulation of; internal energy,and have great influence on; sexual energy (or essence), which circulates beneficially around the body, transforming it.

The genealogical tree of the line of Grand Master Su Yu-Chang is conformed by: the founder Tong Hai-Tzuan, Yi-Fu, Kong Pao-Ten, Liu Yun-Chiao. Grand Master Su Yu-Chang is the latest successor of this genalogic tree.

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Here's a website on Pakua, Pikua, Pachi, Tang Lang, Tai Chi, Hsing I, Chi Kung,
Click Here

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