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June 11th, 2002, 11:21 AM
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Rep Power: 10 | | Nerve locking I agree with some of the poster's. I think that the techique that you are referring to is Shaolin ChinNa.  It is a good set of techniques, but you need to take the time to practice and perfect them for the techniques to be useful in a fight. There are several books on the market that would be helpful. Just look on any good martial arts marketing site that carries books. They should have them, or be able to obtain them for you. 
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June 18th, 2002, 04:36 AM
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Rep Power: 41 | | | “ | Originally posted by Ranger ... of Daito-Ryu Aiki Jujutsu. At the higher levels (there are four degrees of technique), you use soft "strikes" to certain areas, which feel like...small electrical shocks is the best I can describe it. Then it causes your opponent to have a reflexive reaction to it, which, as a Jujutsu practioner of that level, you predict and take advantage of. At the most advanced levels, you can't even really tell what's going on by watching, because the master is gently touching the opponent and controlling them. This is, however, some of the most advanced technique in the entire system. It is one of the styles that I revere the most. | ” | |
If you're talking of atemi, Aikido is full of them. As is, of course, aikijutsu. Mainly, setups for a final waza.
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June 18th, 2002, 04:40 AM
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Rep Power: 41 | | | Aikido "nerve locks" | “ | Originally posted by x893
In most jujitsu/aiki arts at upper levels you will see alot of pressure point manipulations and such, just to get a certain reaction out of the opponent, basically setting them up for another technique....very nice stuff!
I believe that is were problems have come into the art of aikido. I think some of the founders students saw him doing these advanced type techniques and as Ranger said...you cant really tell whats going on...it just looks like a dance where the opponent is doing the work for you...and I think that has led to some of the watered down aikido styles. Just my theory though.
But at upper levels...it does look like nothing is goin on...then suddenly someone hits the floor in pain...lol.
That sounds like what wayof was referring to... | ” | |
Just a few points (no pun intended). If it's atemi we're talking about, Aikido is full of them. As are setup, subtle strikes to certain points...
... regarding deliberate manipulation of certain points specific to a technique, yonkyo (the fourth teaching) deliberately targets a nerve over the radial bone so as to pin an opponent. It is one of the most painful aikido techniques.
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June 18th, 2002, 05:08 AM
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Rep Power: 41 | | | Of Chin Na, Dim Mak etc Adding on to some of the earlier posts regarding Chin Na and Dim Mak..
Chin Na means to seize and control. It refers to techniques that subdue an opponent in one or more of several ways:
1. By dividing the muscles and tendons
2. By Misplacing the bone
3. By grabbing muscles
4. By sealing the breath
5. By striking a cavity
Dividing the muscle tendons works by bending and twisting a joint. By doing so, one bends and twists the tendons thereby ripping them off the bone. Pain is felt both pre (before the ripping -- nerves send the message to the brain stating that something is wrong) as well as post incident
Misplacing the bone techniques work by bending the joint in the wrong direction. When this is done, ligaments that hold the bones together are torn apart, allowing the bones themselves to be pulled apart. In mordern medical parlance, this is spelt dislocation. Obviously, pain - and a great deal of it - follows.
Muscle grabbing techniques work by grabbing large or small muscle techniques and squeezing and twisting them to cause pain. At times, they may be coupled with cavity press (described below) if they squeeze down on a cavity. These are found in sevral animal techniques including Tiger, Mantis, Eagle etc.
Sealing the breath refers to techniques that in one way or the other prevent breathing. This can take the form of a choke or a strike. The latter again can be divided into two categories - strikes that target nerves or nerve plexus' that regulate breathing (for example a strike to the solar plexus or the vagus nerve) or strikes that cause muscles to go into spasm making breathing difficult
Striking the cavity techniques are also caleld Dim Hseuh or Dim Mak.
Tradiition has it that there are three Dims.. for lack of a better word - Dim Ching (nerve gate system), Dim Hsueh (blood gate system) and Dim Mak (chi related). All of these refer to striking points along the body, with Dim Mak specifically targeting those along the chi meridians. Damage can range from mild to major, with effects being felt immediately or over a period of time. An example of the former would be a strike to St 5 - causes immediate KO as it causes an instant drop in blood pressure (dim hseuh). St 5 could be refered to a nerve strike (dim ching) too,since one is really striking the carotid sinus ( a neural baroreceptor), which in turn sends a signal to the heart causing a drop in blood pressure. St 5 is on the stomach meridian, it hence also is a Dim Mak strike. Essentially, it's all three Dims (for lack of a better word).
Please note that several sealing the breath techniques also do fall into the category of Dim Mak, especially those which involve striking.
Hope that helps.
regards,
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