How many forms do you know? What is your favorite?

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The Dance..... all I need.

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Too many... far too many... more to go. I've started giving forms back

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua It's interesting that you have so many Meihuazhuang forms in your style.	”

They're not.

The Moi Fa name in forms in CLF represent the pattern the form runs in... not much else. Just like the Bat Gwa named forms represent the 8 directions in which the forms run, no relation to the internal Bagua style.

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“	Originally Posted By: clfsean They're not. The Moi Fa name in forms in CLF represent the pattern the form runs in... not much else. Just like the Bat Gwa named forms represent the 8 directions in which the forms run, no relation to the internal Bagua style.	”

Hmmm... many of those forms are forms that come directly from Meihuazhuang first and foremost, Spear, Broadsword, Green Dragon Straight Sword is a Mei Hua form, it's used extensively in our system.

They may now be CLF but they came from Meihuazhuang, otherwise they'd have no right to bear our name. That'd be like me doing karate and saying it was a CLF form, doesn't make sense and thus credit was given to where those forms came from, Meihuazhuang.

I've seen many of CLF's Mei Hua named forms, and they are very close to the way Meihuazhuang does them, so yes they are related.

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Good lord, some of you all have a huge catalog of forms! Even though I come from a system that teaches a tremendous amount of forms, I only have a few.

Cole Fu, the Wah Lum Forms only have numbers, no names, they were created that way. So it's "Wah Lum First Form," "Wah Lum Second Form," etc. There are 6 Wah Lum Forms in the curriculum.

My favorite hand form is Little Mantis. My favorite weapon form is Flute.

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Ok, thats why my sifu just keeps saying the names in english.

“	My favorite hand form is Little Mantis	”

<---- Easy form

Then why is that name not categorized by a number? Lohan is also not categorized by a number.

I forgot to put Baqua Cern Gow under seven star forms.

“	They're not. The Moi Fa name in forms in CLF represent the pattern the form runs in... not much else. Just like the Bat Gwa named forms represent the 8 directions in which the forms run, no relation to the internal Bagua style.	”

Things are often times just named moi fah for the sake of it too. If you look at kung fu styles almost every one of them has a moi fah form.

“	Originally Posted By: Cole_Fu Things are often times just named moi fah for the sake of it too. If you look at kung fu styles almost every one of them has a moi fah form.	”

Perhaps, I have many friends that do CLF, I have seen their Mei Hua named forms, and except for some little nuances and some slight varaiations in move/technique, they are identical to the Meihuazhuang version.


It is unlikely that someone could create a form that was identical in almost every way to the forms of a style they had never seen or encountered and also give it a name relating to the style it came from.


Many forms have been passed from system to system style to style over the centuries, I think you see an example of this here.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua Hmmm... many of those forms are forms that come directly from Meihuazhuang first and foremost, Spear, Broadsword, Green Dragon Straight Sword is a Mei Hua form, it's used extensively in our system.	”

Ok... show me your sets.

“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua They may now be CLF but they came from Meihuazhuang, otherwise they'd have no right to bear our name.	”

They're not Moi Fah Jhong. They have the words "Moi Fah" as part of the set. That'd be like saying I'm the only one that has the right to the first name Sean.

“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua That'd be like me doing karate and saying it was a CLF form, doesn't make sense and thus credit was given to where those forms came from, Meihuazhuang.	”

Except there's no relation to your Meihuazhaung style except a couple of sets with the name "Moi Fa".

“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua I've seen many of CLF's Mei Hua named forms, and they are very close to the way Meihuazhuang does them, so yes they are related.	”

Show me your "Xiao Mei Hua Quan". I'll show you a CLF "Siu Moi Fah Kuen".

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Fair enough, we ever get a chance to meet I'd be glad to show you and we could then compare and see the truth, others have.

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“	Originally Posted By: Cole_Fu Ok, thats why my sifu just keeps saying the names in english. Little Mantis<---- Easy form	”

Easy for you, you're young!

“	Then why is that name not categorized by a number? Lohan is also not categorized by a number.	”

No need to number it if there's only one Little Mantis in the system. Same with Lohan form. And the Drunken Form.

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“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua Fair enough, we ever get a chance to meet I'd be glad to show you and we could then compare and see the truth, others have.	”

Fine but video works for me too... but in person is cool too. No problems there at all.

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Empty hand forms:

Siew Fok Fu (Taming the Young Tiger)
Sei Peng Kuen (Four Direction/Corners Fist)
Lohan Kuen (Buddha Fist)
Siew Ying Jow (Young Eagle Claw)
Chak Siew Fok Fu (Taming the Young Tiger 2 Person Form)
Moi Fah Kuen (Plum Flower Fist)
Maan Ji Kuen (Ten Thousand Character Fist)
Chai Jong (Wooden Post Form)
Gwok Ji (County Character Form)
Lok Gok Cheung (Six Counties Fist)

Weapon forms:

Seung Tau Kwan (Double Ended Staff)
Seung Chaap Jaai (Double Daggers)
Chak Kwan (Two Person Staff form)
Seung Garp Tan Kwan (Double and Single Ended Staff)
Tan Do (Single Sword)
Seung Do (Double Sword)
Ying Cheung (Spear)

PS: I concur with Sean, many Southern styles use the same or similar names for their forms but the forms have no bearing on, or relationship with each other. And forms such as; Moi Fah Kuen, Maan Ji Kuen, Gok Ji etc (in most Southern styles anyway) take their name from the general pattern of the footwork... nothing more.

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Well, my system's forms are short but you can link 6 of them to do a quite large form,

I know 8 forms, being the first one the "Tiger" form which shows some of our Kung Fu roots.

I once learned a basic KF form, cant remember which style...

“	Originally Posted By: Fu-Pau PS: I concur with Sean, many Southern styles use the same or similar names for their forms but the forms have no bearing on, or relationship with each other. And forms such as; Moi Fah Kuen, Maan Ji Kuen, Gok Ji etc (in most Southern styles anyway) take their name from the general pattern of the footwork... nothing more.	”

Hmmm, Meihuazhuang exists in the South, and one of thee major characteristics of this system is that many if not all of it's forms are named for the footwork which guide in the 8 directions.

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