ever create forms, styles, punches, kick etc.

has any of you created a form style, puch or anything just for fun, or to help train? i have i created a form to increase my leg strength (the form is all kicks, and low stances, hands are only used to block) discuss your created stuff here.

Nope... never needed them. I've got everything I need in my current system.

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lol how many different ways are there to punch?

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I've put together line drills by extrapolating combinations from my forms. This is often done in my regular classes, but when practicing on my own I have time to stop and start, slow down, or work the techniques in different ways to get a better understanding of the applications.

My style has a ton of forms and drills so I have a lot of material to work with and even with the few forms that I've learned, there are hours upon hours of material to study.

Like GLU says though, how many different ways are there to punch? Not many! So you're looking at studying attack/defend theories, or developing strength/conditioning drills, which are all worthwhile, but part of the process is learning to distinguish the differences between theory, study, and application, and to figure out how to practice each in a meaningful way.

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i've mixed many little forms into one big continuous form

I actually did make up a strike i called it baby fam gam, its like fam gam choi (phoenix eye fist) but you use your pinky instead of your pointer finger..............i am not responsible if you use it and brek your little fingure

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In my opinion, most Chinese Martial Arts require some level of innovation and extrapolation on part of the student outside of class. If you arent trying to be creative, test different combinations, theories, movements that are part of your system, then you arent practicing to your full potential.

That doesnt mean you should go around making new "forms"...But being creative and taking the opportunity to look at things in a new way is an important part of your progression.

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Something I do and it may not be a correct reply to this thread is I take the forms and applications I have and I practise them. Then, every other day (of if I'm lucky..once a day) I'll spend 15 minutes where I pull techniques from everything I have and practise for the entire time set aside. Its not really a new form or anything like that but it does keep creativity up and helps in understanding the fighting style I practise.

When I do this, I don't care if I do a Monkey tech., follow it up with a Bagua tech., then a Crane technique or whatever. I just try to make sure the techniques I do are fully intent and the movements and transaction are correct.

I have always believed that martial arts should be like painting, or creating music...it should flow from within so that you don't end up limiting yourself.

-Jeff

I agree 100% Jeff. So far IMO you are all correct. If as an individual and a student you only practice learned form/technique by wrote you are really only mimicking movement. Even though you may do it different in someways.

You should practice to freely move through technique or form. Rearrange segments on the fly, see how they feel, make new application from "basic motions", Change your intent if thats applicable. Every time you do this you are in essence making a new form.

Provided you understand it and know what should be accomplished to begin with. With beginners thi can be dangerous because its easy to think you know what your are doing and just creat all kinds of false impressions and bad habits. But still free movement after learned movement is always good.
To for those with experience this is the opportunity to truly create and integrate knowledge into motion.

Do you need to remember this new sequence of movements? No not really. Because you have your collection of technique and movement principles to draw from already. Forms are just collections of technique and movement principles. Styles are the library that houses these collections.

Moreover, I feel honestly that the style isn't truly yours until you can do this.

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In Hung Fa Yi we derive all of our drills from our forms for instance our Siu Nim Tau expresses the concepts and principles of our Wing Chun.

As I side note I have combined forms like Siu Nim Tau/Cham Kiu and Biu Ji into one form in the Ip Man system it was really interesting.

I agree with everyone about pulling the techniques from the forms and making them all flow together. Thats definately important.

Thanks for all the info.




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GLU : "Rearrange segments on the fly, see how they feel, make new application from "basic motions", Change your intent if thats applicable."

i never got this fully until after about 6 moths of doing the dumby form

when one of my sifu's senoir students said

"isnt it about time you attacked the thing!"

made all the difference

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Agreed!

I think it's important to learn the forms by rote up to a point, but when you can do the moves without thinking it's time to break them apart and challenge your mind again.

When I first started MA I learned the Yang style tai chi form. Took about 9 months to get all the moves. Then I practiced until I could do them without having to watch the instructor during the group form. "Great," I thought, "Now I can learn the next form." So I asked my instructor. She said, "Sure, but first do the entire Yang form left side." Meaning, do all the moves opposite the way they are normally done. "How do I do that?" I asked. She just shrugged and said, "Figure it out."

Took me 3 more months. But it shredded my old perception of the form and pinpointed where I was forming bad habits.

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