two man sets

most styles have two man sets

once a way to prepare for real fighting, now mainly a show thingy for demo's...

how do you practise two man sets
what do you think you get out of it

and do you think *that that kinda training* will prepare you for some real fighting?

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Practice?? Slow, then medium, then fast, then full on...

What do I get?? What I put in...

Do I think it'll prep me for fighting? Only if somebody knows the other side of the set I'm doing, otherwise it's just a tool for conditioning the body, reactions & timing/distancing IMHO.

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Although we have two man sets in our style, my sifu doesn't teach them. He doesn't like 'em, doesn't prepare you for real fighting...but could prepare you for movie fu

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I think your both very wrong...

let's see if there are more responses before I go on about this...

“	Originally Posted By: TaichiMantis Although we have two man sets in our style, my sifu doesn't teach them. He doesn't like 'em, doesn't prepare you for real fighting...but could prepare you for movie fu	”

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We have 2 man sets.... usually created on the fly by Martial.

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Considering the number of solo forms in my style, there are very few 2-man sets taught. A couple of hand sets, a couple of weapons sets.

As clfsean said, they are good for teaching timing & distance. They also teach application and how moves should flow logically (e.g., if he is striking with this hand, that part of the body is open for you to counter ... etc.).

Beyond this -- a 2-man set can teach some basic self-control skills, such as cooperation (for performance) vs. noncooperation (for learning), sensitivity, reaction control, and muscle control. For example, one of the people I train with gets a bit excited during both application drills and light sparring, with the result that the person starts swinging wild and hard. So far, learning a 2-man form has helped this person focus better and relax a bit, improving skill and making things a little safer for practice partners. (Although I kind of miss the wild swinging, it kept me on my toes.)

However, it doesn't replace sparring. For one thing, the 2-man form, like the solo form, permits few variables to creep in -- the environment and the moves are controlled and rehearsed.

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“	Originally Posted By: jawsman We have 2 man sets.... usually created on the fly by Martial.	”

that's getting better indeed...

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How am I wrong?

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I wouldn't mind learning two man sets, for the reasons sammy gave.

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We have some two man sets for weapons and for hand to hand combat. I like the two man sets because they teach you body positioning and body awareness. I also like them cause it gives you a chance to bang arms and legs with someone in a moderately controlled environment. I really like the weapons two man sets because it teaches you how to react with a weapon in your hand and adds a level of complexity to the set. So now you have to be aware of your body positioning and the weapon positioning so the level of difficulty increases allowing you for better concentration training.

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I want to hear some more on how you guys'n'girls *train* them...

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Well, what kind of "sets" are you talking about? If they're set repetitions then it's nothing more than a 2-man form. Forms have always had a problem that unless the practitioner is actively visualizing what the movements mean, then they're just going through the motions of learning a pretty dance. However, if you're making those mental steps to link movements to actions and applications then you're getting something out of it.

Most of our 2-man drills involve simple techniques and combinations to practice on a resisting opponent. The 2 man forms are indeed more for show and demonstrations. If we want to get some good "fight prep" work, we go to controlled sparring. Start out about half speed and effort, then start ramping up from there. Practicing only statics for "fight prep" is a good way to get your hind-quarters handed to you. It must involve dynamic thinking and application, something only free sparring can really give.

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how do you train them to prepare you for fighting?

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I don't train 2 man sets to learn to fight, I train them to practice techniques and combos. I do free form sparring if I want to learn how to fight.

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ok...

let's say I have a woman, 46 years old, that has been training two man sets only for no longer as 3 months with no prior MA experience...

would you think she can fight if she trained like you or not?

because I've got one that can kick some serious butt now...

Chief108

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all hail Martyr Fakka