A longfist form

This is a longfist form, Some of you might have already seen it already but I thought I might as well put it up if I was going to put the other videos up, Sorry I got a little pissed about those wl forms :/ Theres a little messup in the form were I do the tornado kick into the splits. I landed incorrectly so I hastily got out of it, please ignore this.

Lacks power and intent in movement, to tight, you need to be more fluid.

And I'm not even going to say anything about the Lohan sequences, being a Lohan practitioner, I'm embarrassed.

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Your pok mas look great! Very flexible.

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very flexible indeed...
I'll give ya that

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Well, quick feedback on the Longfist form: without knowing if the sequence is right or some moves would be done different in other branches, etc., etc., I would say that given how short you are doing this, you cannot expect perfection yet. That means, I spot lots of little things, which should go away naturally just from doing this for some time regularily (say half an hour a day).

What you would need is someone who supervises this a few times a month, until you know roughly how it should look like. Naturally, a basketball player playing for 12 months looks different from one doing it since 3 years, the athletics and movements develop over time. So there is no need to constantly slag this mentioning all the details.

What you should do is definetly doing this SLOWLY. It's generally meant that forms where done slowly, and I mean REALLY slow, in the beginning, to work the muscles a longer time than hasting through the movements. This is the traditional way of Shaolin, and this should help a lot with any form. They did it for say an hour VERY slow, then 15 minutes medium slow, and then a few minutes fast and with power to put a load on the cardio. I.e. repeating the same form for the given time.

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did you or did you not want any feedback.

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“	Originally Posted By: Allan_Tsang did you or did you not want any feedback.	”

good question...

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I think noone has something against constructive critics. The point is "constructive" ...

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I'd say this form looks better than the WL forms you put up before. Not great, but here you are demonstrating the gross movements pretty well, showing good flexibility and extension. I only have a few observations.

1. It's still clearly performance oriented. The locked-out limbs, the split, the pauses and drops into parallel horse stance. These are tricks of the trade in forms competition, almost purely for looks.

2. Where your fist goes, your eyes must go. How can you hit an opponent if you're looking away from him?

3. Same thing with the tornado kick. Find your target first, then put your foot there. This will also help eliminate the little bouncing you do before the kick.

What Mei Hua said about it lacking power and intent is correct, however, don't push for power and intent in this particular form or it will lose much of the grace and flexibility it is supposed to exhibit. The power & intent develop slowly but only if the form is practiced correctly. And a start to correctness is looking where you strike. Intent develops from that point.

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He needs a alot of work on structure, and mechancis too. That is why his power is lacking.

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“	Originally Posted By: Royal Dragon He needs a alot of work on structure, and mechancis too. That is why his power is lacking.	”

he should get some good training in basics with a good instructor

that'll help him a lot with all his forms

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Agreed. He is all arms right now. A good teacher would get to the core of the problem pretty quick.

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Doing these forms, even in their present form, VERY slow would help quickly. Even with no correction. For correct power usage, you of course would need to drop the hollow back / c0cked chest. In a form, doing it as part of qigong gymnastics, breathing in and then breathing out while releasing the hollow back into a sunken back, it might be okay. But in movement, or as architecture, it has no meaning, but is a bad habit. To learn about this feeling, it might be a good idea to try such a breathing exercise where you sit on a chair, breath in, go into a fully erect posture with a hollow back and the fists pulled back at the side of the ribcage, and then breath out letting the upper body completely sink down into a relaxed, rounded shape. For learning good alignment and letting the upper body stay loose, throwing a ball (medicine, heavy gymnastics or basketball) with one arm against a wall catching it helps a lot. You cannot do such real world power movements with no good relaxation, but pick it up on the fly, which corrects old bad habits from doing bad forms.

However, many little problems in your form are due to being a beginner. Not because of not "knowing", but because the untrained body is always stiff, clumsy, and has not enough strength to move fluid and strong. That will be changing just from doing that, with a good eye on how it feels, for months. Like I said, very slow, medium slow, and then fast, each day.

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“	That means, I spot lots of little things, which should go away naturally just from doing this for some time regularily (say half an hour a day).	”

Right now I am practicing four hours a day before I go to class

“	And I'm not even going to say anything about the Lohan sequences, being a Lohan practitioner, I'm embarrassed.	”

Mei hua that is not a form from your lohan style. Why are you embarrased?You don't even know me. If you are going to blatently insult me instead of offering constructive critiscism then I suggest you post some forms of your own.

Maybe you should reduce that to two hours in the morning, and spend more time on doing that SLOWLY. Put the rest into sleeping more, your body and mind will thank you for that. Trust me. A key practice in traditional Shaolin as practiced by the over 100 years old Han Lei is to move that slow you think he is standing still. That might be a bit demanding, but going below Taiji-speed is a good idea. A lot of things get better from this alone, and you will develop a whole different kind of strength and moving.

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