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January 27th, 2007, 07:34 PM
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what do you make of it ?
what kinda of thing do you think makes it effective in a real situation ?
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January 28th, 2007, 05:33 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | I do. It's great and really important, it's also incredibly difficult, especially when you mix it up with hands too.
In a real situation I would train it to stop kick, lock, unsettle and avoid. We train this quite a bit. As I say, chi sau and chi gerk is amazing, it's next to impossible to be aware of both things at the same time. | 
January 28th, 2007, 08:50 AM
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January 29th, 2007, 08:07 AM
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January 29th, 2007, 09:29 AM
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how often would you say its trained at your skool ? | ” | |
It's not really like that at our school. We have Sifu's who give us ideas...It's up to us to train them.
We have a great opportunity to train with a different Sifu every night (if you wanted to). You pick what you want to train at other sessions- with your kung fu brothers, or at drop in sessions with Sifu's and instructors hanging around and doing their own training. | 
January 29th, 2007, 09:55 AM
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Rep Power: 99 | | | not often enough, once every couple of months. Wing Chun is 90% feet, 10% hands. I think that few people train their stance in SLT long enough to endure Chi Gerk for any length of time, hence the low featuring of this drill. Also, I think the tendency is to focus on the arms until such point as the student is relatively competent in Chi Sau.
I think that like Chi Sau, Chi Gerk gives you great sensitivity in the footwork/balance, and adds that buffer zone of reactivity to the lower gates. It'll also teach you to kick like a mule.
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January 29th, 2007, 11:58 AM
|  | mogate victim | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Leeds Style(s): wc/arnis/(b)jj Year(s): since 2002
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Rep Power: 149 | | | sun do you ever train both chi sau and chi gerk at the same time ?
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January 29th, 2007, 01:23 PM
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Rep Power: 26 | | | we practice but not as much as we should. I should practice more I know when I get in close sometimes its hard to concentrate on both feet and hands
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January 29th, 2007, 01:23 PM
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Rep Power: 99 | | | not yet - we've started bringing elements together, but they're very pre-canned.
The ranges are slightly different too, I think you would be hard pressed to Chi Gerk at the same range as Chi Sau without getting tied up. I think you would be more likely to use them as links to each other as you close and extend ranges.
I'll sometimes have a go at combining them with my Sifu, my sense of balance is pretty good on account of the tai chi so we have a little ruck from time to time.
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January 30th, 2007, 06:40 AM
|  | mogate victim | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Leeds Style(s): wc/arnis/(b)jj Year(s): since 2002
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Rep Power: 149 | | | i have found that messing with your opponants stance (which is what chi gerk teaches in effect)
is a great way of openning gaps in chi sau
as your opponant thinks about their feet
they forget about their hands
and vice versa
unfortunatly i have pulled a calf muscle
so no chi gerk for me
but now i cant train it
its the only thing i want to train !
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