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February 2nd, 2007, 10:40 AM
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Whatever- fist, kick whatever.
I've always loved the spinning back fist from my Karate days, it can work great in a combination, but is it wise to turn your back on an opponent? When is it useful and when is it dangerous? WOuld you advocate the use of these techniques? |
February 2nd, 2007, 10:52 AM
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Rep Power: 168 | | | “ | but is it wise to turn your back on an opponent? | ” | |
If you do not know any groundfighting, then no, it is not wise at all. | “ | When is it useful and when is it dangerous? | ” | |
It's useful when your opponent is open for it and you know you can follow up (meaning defend yourself if taken down). | “ | WOuld you advocate the use of these techniques? | ” | |
Yes, because I also advocate knowing how to grapple/groundfight.
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February 2nd, 2007, 11:20 AM
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Rep Power: 99 | | | Spinning techniques are generally used off an evasion, or in an attempt to recover from a turned back. I would NEVER open a sequence with a spin.
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February 2nd, 2007, 12:05 PM
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Rep Power: 100 | | those are great...
unless you're getting KO-ed by a spinning backkick to the liver...
those hurt like a 
techniques like these should come outta nowhere and totally surprise the opponent
then they have really high success percentage.. 
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February 2nd, 2007, 02:42 PM
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Rep Power: 127 | | | I personally do not see the need for these types of techniques. Like mentioned above, your back is towards your opponent..... and you can eliminate all power by taking a step towards the spinner.
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February 2nd, 2007, 02:50 PM
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Rep Power: 87 | | | Never turn your back on an opponent. I would think the only way you would use this is as a follow-up technique to finish him off after he is already dazed and slow to respond. I've seen it both ways in the ring. I've seen someone throw it, not be effective, and not get punished for it. I've also seen someone throw it and get punished for it. Can't recall anyone acutally landing a good one....
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February 2nd, 2007, 02:57 PM
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Rep Power: 127 | | | The few that I have seen land, were because the other person tried to step back/out of the spin. Only to put themsleves in the arc of power. Clowns...
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February 2nd, 2007, 06:24 PM
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Rep Power: 26 | | | well i don't like these tye of techniques cause they leave my back to my opponents and i don't spin quick, but i train with a guy that does them great! in hung gar we use them some time while retreating , or making it look like we are retreating, luring them in and then spinning on them.
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February 2nd, 2007, 07:57 PM
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Rep Power: 168 | | | “ | I've seen someone throw it, not be effective, and not get punished for it. I've also seen someone throw it and get punished for it. | ” | |
The same could be said about every technique in the book....
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February 2nd, 2007, 08:01 PM
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Posted By: FightingFat 
Whatever- fist, kick whatever.
I've always loved the spinning back fist from my Karate days, it can work great in a combination, but is it wise to turn your back on an opponent? When is it useful and when is it dangerous? WOuld you advocate the use of these techniques? | ” | |
Usually would only use it if they were retreating or worn down and while turning would keep my glance over my shoulder so that I never had my eyes off them.
Works great for extra power to finish them.
Kick or fist also work well in a surprise, if you can get it in quick you can unload alot of power on them, but if they see it coming they can stop it before you unleash it and they have control of you, we were working this Wed. night, with the spinning back/hook kick I would move in and grab the kicking leg before it was fully extended allowing me to throw my opponent down or have control of them for what I wanted to do to an unprotected area(the back)
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February 2nd, 2007, 08:05 PM
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Rep Power: 48 | | | You can generate soooo much power from them.
With lots and lots of practise, you can spin so that it seems you've never taken your eyes off the opponent. Call me naive, but I don't feel vulnerable when I use them, I feel powerful. Since I'm so small, I need all the help I can get.
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February 3rd, 2007, 04:03 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | check this clip...
kyokushin dudes use those techniques all the time...
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/v/wtVu4XmweVM[/MEDIA]
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February 3rd, 2007, 04:30 AM
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Rep Power: 24 | | | I love the spinning back kick and use it frequently. As my ground game develops I only become more and more bold with my all my foot techniques as I'm not afraid of the trip anymore. Also, I've seen so many fights ended with a spinning kick, it's just too good an opportunity to pass up.
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February 3rd, 2007, 07:40 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | Awesome clip Chief! That's is brilliant! |
February 3rd, 2007, 07:58 AM
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Rep Power: 153 | | | I'm getting better at spinning strikes -- kicks, backfist. Wouldn't start off an attack with one as it's too easy for the opponent to read. But when there's a little bit of distance and the opponent is committed to something else, or as a defensive strike when I've been turned a bit too far one way or the other and my back is vulnerable, I go ahead with a spinning strike. Sometimes it doesn't contact at all but stalls the opponent so I can recover.
Who was the guy in the last TUF semifinals, who got knocked off balance and came around with a long backfist that rocked his opponent? Can't remember names off the top of my head. But that was a very effective, unexpected defensive move.
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