Adding a MMA curriculum to my traditional school.....

I agree on many points my point was that anything without rules would be different but not to say it wouldnt work. Anyway I have to agree many TCMAers dont physically condition themselves like MMAers do. That needs to change.

Or you live with the consequences. I'd suggest instead that before beginning to claim that your practice will make you superior to anyone training under sports regulations, you spar a bit with some of them on a friendly base to get a reason to. Other than that, if you don't like to fight for real, no necessity for undergoing things with some impact on behaviour. I got a problem if someone in Pushing Hands would suddenly rush me, thinking "now, I prove I would win if not for that sissy rules", since my answer has been causing a bit of trouble, and bleeding. If all you need is a bit of pushing around for the fun of it, you don't go and turn into a machine by full resistance all out practice.

On another issue, at the moment, my idea is that using grappling method of todays MMA/BJJ, you get a way of fighting that has the advantage of being doseable, and opening ways of safe submissions. My own dosing only differentiates between throwing into a wall head first, and doing it hard. So doing some practices in submission grappling would give me something that helps avoiding legal problems, when I cannot run before someone spots who I am. On another note, many elements would inevitably occur or be applicable both in MMA sports practice and hardcore all out chinese killer one. A throw entry is not different in a chinese bodyguard style, or a sports regulated one.


P.S.: On the shortnamesome4digitnumber syndrome, do I get banned if I post something using the word "troll" ?

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ok the PS confused me but I think I followed everything else you said Nik

“	Originally Posted By: Nik P.S.: On the shortnamesome4digitnumber syndrome, do I get banned if I post something using the word "troll" ?	”

Before we all blast the dude and take what he's said as troll-rantings, and trust me, I don't like everything he's said, but that's forums for you

He actually did make an intro post which some of us posted on (Unk ) and has made some decent posts.

Hey Buddys

what happend to aaradia's post?

“	Originally Posted By: Green_Horn what happend to aaradia's post?	”

I deleted it. Why bother, its hopeless. It was going so well before that too.

-aaradia

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“	It was going so well before that too.	”

Please note that I had absolutely nothing to do with it this time...

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LMFAO, I have to say Cam is right there. The problem is everyone seems to have strong feelings about the issue of TCMA and MMA (and it usually turns into one vs the other). The issue you had put out had actually servived longer than many. Just a few made it kinda fall back into the back ground.

Personally as long as the atmosphere of your school stays the same. And they dont use the MMA to mmisrepresent themselves to get more Traditional students I see no problem with that. Adding a quallified teacher of anotehr style shouldnt take away but add to.

My dream, a rather childlike one im sure, is to start my students (when I get them) with learning the basics of the style/styles I have learned and then teaching them for a while in the schools main system and then allow then to study on with other schools, when they reach a point where they wont missrepresent me, in other styles if they would like. Kinda how the shaolin did it. But like I said its a rather childhood fantasy tyoe thing.

CMA [CLF] is effective and powerful. What worries me, Aaradia, is the fact that your Sifu is appearing to be jumping on a MMA "bandwagon" because it is the "thing" to do. People that want to train MMA/fight MMA will go to a pure MMA gym.

Just because there is a natural bias against CMAs does not invalidate their effectiveness - the desire to someone use the "MMA fad" in order to try to validate the effective of a CMA [CLF] is what infuriates me to a certain degree.

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I have said it before. If its not MMA related its viewed as worthless in the army. Drives me nuts!

It doesn't hurt to complement your CMA work with a bit of competent MMA practice, especially when you can blend it and see what of your own common stuff goes well in that environment. And to learn to get along with typical things happening in that MMA venue. As long as people claim the "elbow from above" as the thing to do against takedowns, it is necessary to expose to that sort of fighting. As long as it is done to complement the other practice, is done in earnest, and with good instruction / instructors, it cannot hurt.

On top of that it should be a perfect moment to see if your own CMA moves work with such hands on environments. Many people lack in setups for CMA moves, they could hopefully do a perfect hammerfist to the back of the head, but have no idea how to set it up. Exposing to MMA clinch play should work on that skill, even if you don't resort to boxing punches where CMA moves would be much better. A competent, expert CMA teacher should even excel in such a situation, knowing how you would work out of such a clinch, and you can even try if he was right. It should be obvious when you can pull your old moves in such a clinch, or when you cannot, and know that there is something wrong about it. It's a chance, not a threat. And this I say knowing well that I don't like to "fight" competitively, breaking the will of someone or hurting him, just for winning. But training scenarios, ok. That adds something back to CMA that was lost, last century. Without the need to go roid rage and slam around heads killing people in style. You can do that as "only practice", hitting half hard, and pulling CMA moves a bit easier. But in the end, you know if you can pull up and step out someone who just runs in for the takedown, or if you cannot. And you can work on it. Clothes left to the practitioner.

I don't see how that would "hurt" some tradition. And, it's perfectly the topic, of this thread.

BTW, I had no problem pulling the plug out of "kickbox bada$$es", using baguaesque boxing stuff, and it would just be a challenge to try or work the transition and blending into a MMA scenario. Old style CMA fighters had to grapple all the time, so there is nothing distasteful in trying to cope with todays approach on that. It's up to anyone him/herself if he drops his learned CMA moves for the new ones, or learns blending things, or even works using CMA alone. One measure is success, the other is what you like.


BTW, if your concern was about having to let roid rage boneheads fumble around on you, you need to speak with your teacher on that so you don't have to. It should be up to the individual if he wants to learn rolling only with partners you like. I'd have a problem with certain individuals too, since when they start to "go at me", I'd start killing them. That is something I would not like to be exposed to, too.

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Dan Inosanto said " Instead of looking for differences between arts we should look for similarities ".

Like Nik says, nothing wrong with mixing up traditional with MMA. You will reveal many truths to yourself that way.

It should never have been an issue in the first place.

I dont think she minded the MMA in of itself just the switch of senery and feel of things. We all get into MA for verying reasons that usually are quite similar, but we choose a school that best fits our personality.

I heard you even can do takedown practice with a chinese decoration on the room. So it should be ok to keep it. Of course, I would not feel at home anymore if someone would remove all the ambiente stuff you got used to and like, to make it appeal to tatooed folks with a chin beard. Maybe that is something you can simply negotiate and talk about with the owner of the school.

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"Killing them all didn't make it any better..." - "Are you a freak or something ???" - Max Payne
"Theft is a crime, even in Iraq." - Me.