Zhe Jiang southern kung fu

I'm told these are southern tai zu, from a traditional nan-quan compilation:

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Those are some interesting clips with some nice motion

I can't say for certain it's Southern Tai Tzu, but it resembles Ngo Cho which has a Southern Tai Tzu element to it.

It also resembles this rare style I heard about from the head of the Hangzhou University Wushu Dept but I forget the name of it & Master Ji is back in Hangzhou. He learned it somewhere there in Hangzhou/Zhejiang area, maybe even from Fujian which is next door.

Good stuff though. Glad to see it!!!

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Master Ji, is one of my teachers, been learnign from him since 1991. I'll ask him when i speak to him in a few days if anyone can offer the chinese name in mandarin, spelt phoentically of course for a dum lofan like me.

Hmm do you mean Gan Rou Chuan ? might have an article published years ago written by Master Ji about that.

Have watched the video at length, yep that is the style/system called
Gan Rou Chaun - The Hard Soft Style of Zhejiang province

“	Originally Posted By: ChangFei Master Ji, is one of my teachers, been learnign from him since 1991. I'll ask him when i speak to him in a few days if anyone can offer the chinese name in mandarin, spelt phoentically of course for a dum lofan like me.	”

Check your PM.

“	Originally Posted By: ChangFei Hmm do you mean Gan Rou Chuan ? might have an article published years ago written by Master Ji about that.	”

That might be. I don't remember to be certain. It was a magazine article & the pics in it were of him & another guy doing a very "hard qi" pose that looks like it came straight out of Goju-Ryu. It was about a 3 or 4 page article if I remember correctly.

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That's really interesting...

So that might imply that despite the history described in the Bubishi, karate, or at least GoJu doesn't come from fukkien crane, or at least not entirely, but perhaps mostly from ZheJian "hard soft" boxing? or a combination of local ZheJian/Fujian arts...

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I'll try and dig out the magazine that Master Ji wrote an article on Gan Rou Chuan, and see if I can put a breif synopsis up

“	Originally Posted By: mok That's really interesting... So that might imply that despite the history described in the Bubishi, karate, or at least GoJu doesn't come from fukkien crane, or at least not entirely, but perhaps mostly from ZheJian "hard soft" boxing? or a combination of local ZheJian/Fujian arts...	”

Yeah... at least that what it looks like on the outside.

I honestly see more resemblance to Ngo Cho than a pure Fujian White Crane of anykind. Ngo Cho has a White Crane element, but isn't completely.

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You mean from GojuRyu (the resemblance...)?

Yup - I think the whole fukkien crane thing came out of McCarthy's research, evidenced by the common sanchin kata base. But of course... sanchin is just one set, and it is shared to a whole bunch of styles in the region, not especially, and not only crane.

I agree the tension and general energy shown by these Gan Rou quan guys looks alot like goju (to my relatively uninformed eyes)

(PS: I guess we're all assuming here that in ZheJian'ese Gan Rou == Gong Yao (cantonese) == Go Ju (hard soft) ?, and that the Kanji and Hanzi are the same? anyone has the hanzi BTW?)

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“	Originally Posted By: mok You mean from GojuRyu (the resmblance...)?	”

Yep... sorry....

“	Originally Posted By: mok Y - I think the whole fukkien crane thing came out of McCarthy's research, evidenced by the common sanchin kata base. But of course... sanchin is just one set, and it is shared to a whole bunch of styles in the region, not especially, and not only crane.	”

True

“	Originally Posted By: mok I agree the tension and general energy shown by these Gan Rou quan guys looks alot like goju (to my relatively uninformed eyes)	”

Well there's one pic in particular if CF has the same article I'm talking about where Ji & the other guy are in an almost Goju like position from their 108 kata where I've heard the position referred to as "Begging Dog" or the like. Their hands are mid level in a hook hand position that could resemble a crane beak but looks more like a mantis hook with their necks all flared up & out like hard qigong-type tension & breathing.

“	Originally Posted By: mok (PS: I guess we're all assuming here that in ZheJian'ese Gan Rou == Gong Yao (cantonese) == Go Ju (hard soft) ?, and that the kanji and HanZi are the same? anyone has the hanzi BTW?)	”

I reckon... I don't read much & my Chinese is limited to Cantonese for CLF & ordering a quick lunch in Chinatown from the menu.

Fortunately... Ji's English was almost better than mine.

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“	Originally Posted By: clfsean Well there's one pic in particular if CF has the same article I'm talking about where Ji & the other guy are in an almost Goju like position from their 108 kata where I've heard the position referred to as "Begging Dog" or the like. Their hands are mid level in a hook hand position that could resemble a crane beak but looks more like a mantis hook with their necks all flared up & out like hard qigong-type tension & breathing.	”

Good call - and byt the way you're describing that position it sounds exactly like SPM. With the Obvious ties from fukkien arts and Hakka... btw I never realize Ngo Chor could be counted among that group as well.

Actually fukkien crane doesn't really do that forward-facing stance quite the same way, and doesn't use that stamping footwork advancing on a tilted line... this is one of the main reasons why I've always resisted counting fukkien crane among hakka influenced arts (more like the reverse is likely).

Hakka arts however pretty much all step that way, especially SPM.. and now what do we see here? stamping footwork on a tilted line in Gan Rou quan.

Mind you the energy in white crane is much more static/bin ging generated, whereas the hallmark of hakka arts is the tum tou fou chum energy. So In the Gan Rou quan clips, I see similar footwork to hakka arts, but pardon me for saying so, I don't see TTFC type power generation. Perhaps it represents a middle-road, some common originator before the two styles diverged?

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