YOU- Realistically and often testing your skills.

A little off the subject but testing skills is one thing, understanding your situation is another. How well do you assess your opponent or the conditions is important as well as what happens next.

For example how much do you have to beat the opponent?

What is going to happen if you do? Let’s say you get into a fight with an outlaw, do you beat him? Well with most of them you have to almost kill them to stop them; you have to take it to a point where you make it impossible for them to go on. The problem is now where are you going to go because they always do more than get even. What skills do you have to deal with that?

To win a fight two things are important one that you are the one in control at the end and two you have the least possible injuries. But many fights don’t end with the end of the altercation it goes on after that, so how do you test yourself to know if you can deal with the next day and the day after that?

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I have no problem with the fact that those who train their skills in the ring consistantly, both stand up and on the ground, have more of an advantage over a single unarmed attacker than those who do not .

HOWEVER, I have to agree that when attacked outside the ring/class, you only win if:

a) you escape unharmed or with the least amount of injury
b) your attacker(s) didn't get your ID, don't know who the heck you are or where you live and work, and have no way of finding out
c) you are in no trouble with the law for whatever you did to your attacker (usually easier for a woman)

You increase your chances of the above through many means, physical training being only part of it. You can only train realistically for the above to a certain degree. Evaluation of the situation, environment, skill and intent of the attacker, control of your own fear/confidence/intent, all need to be done quickly or you lose....which is why I would want to learn from someone who is aware of these aspects and has dealt with this out in the streets to some degree...

makes me think of some other skills that could be useful
-humor
-negotiation
-distraction
-flight
-peacemaking
-body language
-cultural
-language other than English

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“	The argument between Cam and Aaradia is a massive waste of threadspace IMO.	”

Yeah, no s***....

“	How well do you assess your opponent or the conditions is important as well as what happens next.	”

Entirely different subject. One step at a time, sequentially. Testing the skills is pertinent to know if you can do what you need to do. If you can't do that then assessing and worrying about what comes after is pointless because you aren't going to get that far.

If you are a carpenter/framer you don't start out with your hammering skills. You first need to know how to measure and cut the wood before you start putting it together.

Although I do agree with what you are saying, this is about step 1... testing the physical skills.

“	I have no problem with the fact that those who train their skills in the ring consistantly, both stand up and on the ground, have more of an advantage over a single unarmed attacker than those who do not .	”

They also have an advantage over multiple armed attackers.

The ones who do not test their skills most often can't beat a single unarmed attacker in the ring so to fantasize about beating multiple people or people with weapons is ludicrous.

“	HOWEVER, I have to agree that when attacked outside the ring/class, you only win if: a) you escape unharmed or with the least amount of injury b) your attacker(s) didn't get your ID, don't know who the heck you are or where you live and work, and have no way of finding out c) you are in no trouble with the law for whatever you did to your attacker (usually easier for a woman)	”

I can't even begin to count how many times I have said something very similar here on this very forum. The epitome of real skill is to disarm the situation with as little harm and damage as possible to all parties involved and to avoid any legal or medical ramifications. A lot of people disagreed saying they would do whatever they needed to (mostly because they could not grapple and their only option was to strike and do a lot of physical damage). Now it seems that you agree with me.

“	physical training being only part of it.	”

Yep. No one said any different. But this thread is about videos of testing that physical training. It's step one and arguably, the most important if you ever have to come to blows.

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Lmao, you and aaradia have to argue, it's the reasoning behind ya'lls love...

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So would "testing" your skills be walking into Rio de Janiro's slum districts and practicing talking your way out of being robbed/mugged/killed? I mean, that seems to be the way to go right, solving disputes civilly?

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“	So would "testing" your skills be walking into Rio de Janiro's slum districts and practicing talking your way out of being robbed/mugged/killed?	”

While that would be a really good test I think that the situation would be more geared toward real-time application and use of skills... They should be tested before having to be used. Soldiers do not test their skills in war... thay apply and use them. That constantly test them beforehand.

“	I mean, that seems to be the way to go right, solving disputes civilly?	”

Well, yeah, but that isn't what this thread is about. Go back and read post #93 and specifically the last part that says

“	But this thread is about videos of testing that physical training. It's step one and arguably, the most important if you ever have to come to blows.	”

Add I wouldn't refer to a robbing/mugging/killing as a simple dispute that could be solved civilly....

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“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara Add I wouldn't refer to a robbing/mugging/killing as a simple dispute that could be solved civilly....	”

Of course it is. I call that "intense dispute".

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