arms?

in your opinion what is the best way to control an arm

and in which situation wont that work

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I think it's better to be versatile to be more able to deal with all ranges/scenarios.
ie; we block/lock & control the arm with various things at either the wrist, elbow or bicep as it allows you to stop further resistance from that arm, at the elbow/bicep it removes their power and control with their arm more adeptly.
Others we just deflect to either the inside and across their body to restrict resistance from their other arm and entangle them up so we can pound them, or we open the gate and throw the arm off wide to offset their balance and restrict retaliation and pound them straight in.

As for which situation wont it work in, that's the magic question, I say it's hard to tell for sure until you encounter, try and experience the results at the time as it all depends on skill, luck, control, power, adaptability, environment and experience of both parties involved, there are times where something should work that it doesn't and times when things shouldn't work that it does.......

The key to controlling a limb... you always have more control at the trunk of the limb than at the extremity.

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I agree with that, also having a good understanding of the funtion and the potential of joints.

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Cut it off? Then you can take it away with you and do whatever you want with it.

It won't work if you want to train with the same person next week... Also, after a while it will begin to deteriorate so your control will be for a limited period.

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“	Originally Posted By: Pope_Wingnut in your opinion what is the best way to control an arm and in which situation wont that work ?	”

Knock the opponent out!!!!!!

When you have not knocked them out yet!!!!!b PMSL

IMHO it's a lot easier to snap out a lock and disable the arm, which only takes an instant, that it is to maintain a lock or control for any length of time.

Having said that, I'd prefer to have the guy's arm between me & him, so I can use it to block any attacks with the other hand, or drop the control & step away. If I was on the inside of the guy's arm, I'd probably go for a fast release & switch to a striking attack or a takedown. I'd try to keep the joint I'm controlling closer to my torso than to the opponent's for better leverage. Doing locks or controls at a full arm's length from yourself is too low probability for my taste.

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“	IMHO it's a lot easier to snap out a lock and disable the arm, which only takes an instant,	”

You should go to The Mundials or The Pan-Ams and clean house. Make sure to post vids!!

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“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara You should go to The Mundials or The Pan-Ams and clean house. Make sure to post vids!!	”

“	Originally Posted By: Jeffrey Quinn IMHO it's a lot easier to snap out a lock and disable the arm, which only takes an instant, that it is to maintain a lock or control for any length of time. Having said that, I'd prefer to have the guy's arm between me & him, so I can use it to block any attacks with the other hand, or drop the control & step away. If I was on the inside of the guy's arm, I'd probably go for a fast release & switch to a striking attack or a takedown. I'd try to keep the joint I'm controlling closer to my torso than to the opponent's for better leverage. Doing locks or controls at a full arm's length from yourself is too low probability for my taste.	”

Well that might be okay for you, but what about us guys who are terrible at chin-na? It takes me forEVER to get a lock on anyone.

Yes yes, I know, I need more practice. It seems like the more practice I get, the more time I need to recover from people who are a little too .. eager to try out something on me, though, ha ha.

lol

nobody has mentioned weakness at the joints so far

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I could go into a LOT of detail about controlling an arm.... but it would depend on the position/situation....

Needless to say it is impossible to "control" an arm without grappling... It can be redirected, but not controlled.

In grappling range (standing) there are overhooks (whizzers) and underhooks that can be used to control arms. There are also arm-drags and cross grips. I seldom ever use simple wrist control unless setting up something more reliable, i.e. arm drags...

From bottom position on the ground (guard) I will use the arm crush (shoulder lock-down, which is THE best arm control position ever) for most everything and the setups that follow but will sometimes use underhooks and whizzers to set up sweeps. If I am looking for an armbar I will use the cross grip and if I am looking for a hammerlock I will use the figure four lock. There is also the "rack" arm control where you get wrist control and put your knee/shin in the bend of the opponent's elbow. You push away with your shin while pulling on the wrist, basically stretching out the opponent's forearm and digging into his biceps muscle.

If I am on top trying to set up arm locks I will use the figure four for bent arm locks and to simply control the limb I will use the elbow-to-elbow intertwined method (mostly to set up armbars).

That being said, getting control and a lock on an arm against someone who has no clue of chin na (if you are adept at all the control positions above) can be done "in an instant"... But if you don't have working knowledge of the above positions and the opponent has the slightest clue of chin na skills, then "an instant" can become a very, very long time....

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nice post

thanks cam

could you discribe the 'arm crush' in more detail?

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It could be interesting.....