Best Kung Fu system?

Exactly. And it isn't just MA where you have to watch out for "certificates." You can become a certified personal trainer in the U.S. for less than $500 and a few days in a short course (maybe not even that, I think there's a correspondence course too).

If you're a business owner, a certificate will get more people in the door. That's its entire value. But if you're a cr*ppy MA'ist or personal trainer, those people will go out the door pretty fast, too.

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"Pain can be a great teacher of compassion and humility."~ Unkotare-san

"Whatever the case, it proves that countless disasters can be prevented by simply assuming everyone you're working with is a moron." ~ Adam Brown, 5 Tiny Mistakes...

“	Originally Posted By: Pope_Wingnut MH : "I want to find a system where I too, can train for six months and become an Instructor with a certificate" why wait six months give me £10,000 and you too can be an instructor right now dont wait limited offer must buy now before prices rise !!!!!!!!	”

Deal and sorted

I am actually still mulling over the possibility of giving out certificates to my student. I am about 70% in the NO catagory. Its a slippery slope, but it can also be pretty motivating to hang on the wall.

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"You must eat bitter before you can taste sweet"- Iron & Silk
"I see no virtue where I smell no sweat"
"Arm yourself because no one else here will save you" - Chris Cornell

A certificate of Awesomeness?

I think with my group it would be a Certificate of Ass Kicking. We use that phrase a lot. It really settled in when we first started sparring and just about everyone was throwing kicks at my ass and me goin, "you guys are kicking my butt here".

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"You must eat bitter before you can taste sweet"- Iron & Silk
"I see no virtue where I smell no sweat"
"Arm yourself because no one else here will save you" - Chris Cornell

Back to the original question- IMHO, Pa-Qua Zhang is the best, if you can master it! That's what China's Imperial bodyguards were trained in. Equally, Ninjitsu can also be considered as such - "dirty fighting" or not, the end result is what counts!

You sound too young to be a fire horse!

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"It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought the fool, than to open it and prove it so." KungFuTze
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." T. Geisel

Very good! As a true taoist, I'm trying to be like a child!

I have to agree with the certifications. I want something/someone to tell me I know enough to teach. I dont want to go out selling what little skils I may have. When I decide to start teching I want quality skills to be able to teach so I can kinda see a bit of value in having a cert. the problem is, as has already been stated, there is too much diversity to know if one cert is as good as another.

“	Originally Posted By: fieryhorse Very good! As a true taoist, I'm trying to be like a child!	”

Hmmmmph,
Tao Te Ching verse 1!

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"It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought the fool, than to open it and prove it so." KungFuTze
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." T. Geisel

Do I smell a Tao Pwnage!?

..the Tao that can be smelled?

...anyhow, from our acupuncture school:

SONG OF DISCOVERING THE TAOIST DISCIPLE

Discuss strategies with him to observe his intelligence and judgment;

Debate with him to know his temperament and tolerance;

Efforts in study and learning show his initiative;

Practicing what has been learned shows diligence and dedication;

Humility shows his maturity and wisdom;

Assign him work and discover his competence;

Cooperation and willingness show sincerity;

See him handle money to know his virtue;

Tell him of difficulties and hardship ahead, then know his courage;

Working with others, he reveals his selflessness and leadership;

In misfortune and danger, learn of his true loyalty and friendship.

His achievements reveal his real self discipline.

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"It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought the fool, than to open it and prove it so." KungFuTze
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." T. Geisel

“	Originally Posted By: bobblehead ..the Tao that can be smelled? ...anyhow, from our acupuncture school: SONG OF DISCOVERING THE TAOIST DISCIPLE Discuss strategies with him to observe his intelligence and judgment; Debate with him to know his temperament and tolerance; Efforts in study and learning show his initiative; Practicing what has been learned shows diligence and dedication; Humility shows his maturity and wisdom; Assign him work and discover his competence; Cooperation and willingness show sincerity; See him handle money to know his virtue; Tell him of difficulties and hardship ahead, then know his courage; Working with others, he reveals his selflessness and leadership; In misfortune and danger, learn of his true loyalty and friendship. His achievements reveal his real self discipline.	”

Very nice


I once thought of being Taoist and lived by those principles, then realized just how frigging awesome I am and gave it up

Ahhhh, Master! (Doh, Mastur.)

“	Debate with him to know his temperament and tolerance	”

..didn't want to seem like i was pickin' on the poor soul.

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"It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought the fool, than to open it and prove it so." KungFuTze
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." T. Geisel

the way that can be spoken of

is not the constant way

the name that can be named

is not the constant name

the nameless was the beginning of heaven and earth

the named was the mother of the myriad creatures

hence always rid yourself of desires in order to observes its secrets

but always allow yourself to have desires in order to observe its manifestations

these two are the same

but diverge in name as they issue forth

being the same they are called mysteries

mystery upon mystery

the gateway of the manifold secrets

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