Finding good training partners is often going to be a struggle. I only spar once a week unfortunately. I would love to do more, but I don't have any people who can train more often. So I do 5-6 days a week solo.
I think the trick here is to help your students realise that there is not only pain and bruises in sparring. It can be a lot of fun. My one sparring partner told me he is so hooked on sparring he has dreams about beating the crap out of me. If you can get em to feel that way about sparring they will show up every time. If they are afraid or don't understand it, then it becomes something to avoid.
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Going back a bunch of posts, in the videos in Post#17 by Bobblehead, with the little guy in the sports suit locking the bigger guy, he's mostly talking about two things. Firstly, he's emphasizing the movements come from the body, not the arm. Secondly, he spends a lot of time describing why the techniques work, when they won't work, what the opponent will probably do to counter, etc. I just skimmed through, but that seems to be the bulk of his discussion.
He also mentions near the beginning that while the techniques are from CLF, the techniques and principles are common to many CMA.
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Fair do’s if the whole world says you are wrong you are either a genius or plain wrong. And I never said I was a genius. Could any one post more examples of good take downs. Trouble is it’s hard to know the good from the bad if you haven’t seen much of the good.
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Props to Bob1 for opening the door to other possibilities. Coming from a strict traditional mindset influenced by pop culture and media, its real easy to fall into the trap of externally "pretty" movements and associating them with the "good".
After awhile, when you see some of the "real" stuff it ends up looking externally very "ugly". But then you start looking at the internal and finding the beauty of motion.
But enough fortune cookie ****. Some good throws and take downs were posted. I would suggest also looking into a Judo school to help learn more fundamentals of throwing. Even 6 months can be a tremendous change to the way you think of throwing. It can improve a lot of aspects of your Kung Fu.
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Let me clarify something here, my reply comments were for the 1st video clip of the Hung Gar stylist doing applications and takedowns. Very poor techniques, all techniques should be perfect whether full speed or slow. As per some of the other video clips lots of nice take downs.
Hah! It's always funny to see Master Chen Yong FA doing and demoing the same locks on video as we do in class. It is not so funny that I cannot do them very well at all. Everyone says 'small circles' but tougher to get the concept without feeling it.
I want to see the opposite side though, the common ways of getting out of the locks. Mike Parella has some vids on his youtube showing some nice counters to typical standing grappling locks.
Beknar, do you train with Sifu Thomas? If so is your school's website down?
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Tried to give you guys a referral and was going, "I swear there was a site..."
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Tried to give you guys a referral and was going, "I swear there was a site..."
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Yeah me too... except I couldn't even remmeber the Sifu's name!
So I just directed him to clfma.co.au or clfma.au.co (whichever) for info.
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I don't know. I'd defend the guy in the first videos more. If he had a shirt on. There's so much worse out there, he doesn't even register on my $h!+ometer.
The following videos show how the method I used to start learning takedowns. These are beginner sets, so a lot of the techniques are designed more to teach principles than outright practicality. I'd actually go so far as to say a lot of the techniques are a little farfetched, but the idea is that after you learn the set, you take each technique and figure out what in it is useful and where and when it might work.
The idea behind the structure of the sets is that attacks & takedowns aren't done from static postures against a limp opponent. Some are done charging each other, some are one chasing the other, some are circling. The sets are also a form of mental & physical conditioning for other training methods. There's a lot of connector bits that aren't overtly martial, but I think the idea is that as soon as you are done one thing, you get up, run somewhere else, and go again.
The first one is a video my friend took way back in 1992 that I posted recently. It's at a public demo, so it's very formal & rehearsed:
As you can see, the techniques are fairly clear and more than a little stylized. They're not applicable techniques as shown, but a bridge between forms and applications.
A friend borrowed my video camera to film the next one in 1999. (I'd like to know where the guy who posted it got a copy . . . I gave a copy to my teacher, and he sent it to others. At least he labels it right.) This one is daily practice, so it's not so well rehearsed. They've edited out the inbetween bits and are focusing on the techniques.
It's still choreographed techniques, but they're trying to take away some of the controlled conditions. They are still letting each other do the techniques, but not standing like a limp noodle. At this stage they give their partner enough resistance that they have to do the technique right, but not enough to stop them from doing it. If your partner doesn't do the move right, don't fall just because the form says so. (And yes, that is concrete.)
I really want to emphasize that these videos aren't supposed to be the end all and be all of fighting (too many schools claim that about their methods). What I think these techniques accomplish is to make you not afraid of falling or getting hit and giving you a sense of how to get in the right position to execute a technique. They're also a very good workout, and we like to think they're more effective than standing in a line practicing kicks or rolling on matts. I also think it's safe to say that by themselves, they won't necessarily teach you a lot of really effective techniques. That's another step. However, the guys in the videos are mostly beginners with about six to eighteen months experience. A few have maybe three years.
For giggles, here's a video of me and a friend doing a very fancified version at a cultural festival:
I could think of a million better things to do in Japan for a month besides jumping off of picnic tables. - x893
techniques, all techniques should be perfect whether full speed or slow. As per some of the other video clips lots of nice take downs.
