KIAI master Vs MMA guy

It says in the video that the Master offered $5000 to any MMA fighter who could beat him.

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That "MMA guy" is nowhere near upper level, himself...

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That's the worst part. How much skill does it take to grab someone's arm with one hand and pound them with the other while you pull them into the strikes.

And how much skill should it really take to defend something like that.

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“	And how much skill should it really take to defend something like that.	”

This is a point I have been trying to make here for years for people who spend time on learning and mastering "supplemental techniques" (biting, eye gouging, groin shots, chi blasts, etc....) instead of putting in the time and effort to learn and master basic fundamental skills.

When someone devotes so much of their time to bulls**t then their basic fundamental skills will definitely suffer. Time spent working on biting or eye gouging could be better used actually drilling and mastering fundamental techniques.

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it's all in the basics

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“	Originally Posted By: SunWuKung I'm surprised the guy even accepted the challenge, you almost feel sorry for him. Almost.	”

If you are going to be bold enough to "cowboy" it, you should be prepared to have the line form of the challengers ready to call your bluff.

This happens all the time in Martial Arts, so feeling sorry for him as a martial artist I really can't.

At the end of the day, one day soon, that MMA (whatever mixed martial arts is) fighter will get his a$$ handed to him by somebody someday if he keeps sparring and brawling.

Everybody does eventually.

But don't you think it's possible he made the challenge because he even deceived himself into thinking what he does is real ?

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plus it's hard not to feel sorry for him cause he's old and brittle.

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“	Originally Posted By: Doughboy But don't you think it's possible he made the challenge because he even deceived himself into thinking what he does is real ?	”

No, what happened here is the master started a PRIZE FIGHT.
There is no disputing that his style is real and effective and I’m certain he has put some hurt on individuals that were less experienced then him in his style in the past, experience in any style when it is matched move for move, generally speaking should prevail ( the basis for point tournaments)
What happend here would be like me, squaring off with a Kwan Dao shouting out “Ok, anybody that can kill me gets 10K” and the 1st guy walking up pulls out a 9 millimeter and shoots me dead.
The only thing he fooled himself about was putting a bounty on his own head without being fully prepared to defend it (regardless of what or who came at him.)
The master was probably drinking tea and watching a fly coaxing a toad to eat him earlier in the day, meditating on meaning of it for hours, while the other dude was punching and kicking the life out of a heavy bag thinking “I’m gonna plummet some dude to the floor and win me 5K today!”
This just boils down to the simple fact that it is never the style, it is the individual, their skill, what they want, what they are out to prove, or what they will get for it.
History dictates it makes winners or losers out of all of us.

“	Originally Posted By: Doughboy But don't you think it's possible he made the challenge because he even deceived himself into thinking what he does is real ?	”

You know? I was pondering the exact same thing at first, but I came to the conclusion this is NOT so, and this is why.

It's all that " hitting people with out touching them Chi" at the beginning. Now If I had deluded myself into thinking I could take on multiple students without really touching them much, or hitting someone from a distance, I would darn well try it before my opponent in a match got close to me! This master does not make any motions like he was shooting chi blasts or whatever like he did with that group of students. Nor does he use his distance hitting motions after getting hit in the mouth. Especially after getting hit, I would have tried that.

It just does not add up to him really believing it.

“	(Jeff digs kung fu)There is no disputing that his style is real and effective and I’m certain he has put some hurt on individuals that were less experienced then him in his style in the past, experience in any style when it is matched move for move, generally speaking should prevail	”

Are you referring to the hitting people from a distance (i.e. not touching them, but flipping them over with chi) being real and effective?

I am all for respecting all styles, but I draw the line at hitting and flipping people without even touching them.

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“	Originally Posted By: Jeff_Digs_Kung_Fu There is no disputing that his style is real and effective	”

Why is there no disputing that when all evidence points to the contrary?

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“	There is no disputing that his style is real and effective and I’m certain he has put some hurt on individuals that were less experienced then him in his style in the past	”

Wait a minute..... could you please explain ? How is his style in any way real or efficient ?

“	The master was probably drinking tea and watching a fly coaxing a toad to eat him earlier in the day, meditating on meaning of it for hours, while the other dude was punching and kicking the life out of a heavy bag thinking “I’m gonna plummet some dude to the floor and win me 5K today!”	”

LOL, now this I can agree with.

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jeff : "There is no disputing that his style is real and effective"

i think you'll find there is



first point to be made

its supposed to be a FIGHTING thing

you know like a martial art kinda fing

not making any effort to stop them there puches was the second thing to point out

and thirdly

who with any (and i do mean ANY) fighting or sparring experience

responds to a punch like that?

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“	Originally Posted By: Pope_Wingnut jeff : "There is no disputing that his style is real and effective" i think you'll find there is first point to be made its supposed to be a FIGHTING thing you know like a martial art kinda fing not making any effort to stop them there puches was the second thing to point out and thirdly who with any (and i do mean ANY) fighting or sparring experience responds to a punch like that?	”

Good point Wingnut and you are absolutely right, but doesn't that show individual lack of skill, not a styles lack of effectiveness?

I mean a Katana is a Katana, one person could pick it up and swing it and cut their own ankle off when a master could throw 3 lemons in the air and cut all 3 in half before they hit the ground.

The sword is only as effective as he who wields it.

“	Originally Posted By: aaradia Are you referring to the hitting people from a distance (i.e. not touching them, but flipping them over with chi) being real and effective?	”

Of course not. My comments were based upon the challenge aspect and the overall style he comes from.

Now if the overall style is being somekind of DRAGONBALLZ Supermonk that can move force from his finger tips across a room and sculpt a terracotta warrior out of ice, I'm sure before he put on the robe that morning he took off a straight jacket.

Did I miss something on that video? Is that what he was trying to prove?

Cause if that is so, I would have paid that KRAV MAGA chick in Israel another 5k to beat the snot out of him.