KIAI master Vs MMA guy

Same thing bro, different terminology

Ahahahahaha.

Win.

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“	Originally Posted By: KungFuMan I also learned a praying mantis fist style from watching the actual insect itself. This was before I actually learned some seven star mantis.	”

Since most of you are more experienced martial artists then I am, could you please tell me why people think that they can use Qi (Ki, Chi, Prajna, Life Force) to make themselves invulnerable? And who is this George Dillman guy? My sparring partner metioned his name when I showed him that clip.

George Dillman is a "Dim Mak" master who allegedly does no-hit knock outs and crap like that. Apparently they only work on his students. And when it doesn't work there is a laundry list of reasons why...in fact one reason is that it won't work in a "trained athlete" when subjects from a local BJJ school nearby were brought in to test.

People believe this crap because they want to believe its real. Fantasy land, although not real, is very seductive when compared with the mundane. And after you have lived a lie for so long (consciously or subconsciously) then you start to believe it. Its actually sad how the mind works, but with persistance you can construct your own false memories that you truly believe are real. That is why someone peopled defend this stuff to death.

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You don't need to bring in a dreaded "MMA guy" or "local BJJ hero". I could do it myself in my hilarious state, fresh from the seat. I just probably wouldn't lower myself to show a 70 year old weird grandpa that he has an incorrect view of reality, by hitting him in the face until he has a heart attack. Dan Docherty did it with pouring water from his bottle over such a guy, asking him to try stopping him from doing it.

Wei qi (as this kind of stuff is called) is "real" in the sense, you can do it and the other guy feels "something", some more, some less. It's just not done in the way the "kiai master" did, and usually used in a healing context. I experienced someone who could do that in a fashion that you got balance problems, standing oblique, but since IMAs are using "cheee" in a more direct and intended manner (boosting YOUR strength), the people insisting on that "use" are usually the cheats. I just don't accept the "there is no qi!" notion from this kind of "experiment", plus bringing always the "MMA guy" in. There is a lot to explore within oneself that you can benefit a lot from, but that is not done via faking some parlour trick, and is not easily accessible from conscious will, or for trickery goals and hawr-hawr-hawr proud pirate reasoning.

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I understand the use in a medical context, but I'm still yet to believe its use in combat. Maybe if somebody can perform one of those no-hit knockouts on me then I might believe it. But it just goes against the laws of physics.

ben : "......but I'm still yet to believe its use in combat."

it is properly used in training

it use in coordinating movement and intent is very important in many chinese martial arts (CMA)

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“	Originally Posted By: Ben Grimm But it just goes against the laws of physics.	”

Depends....

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As I said, my understanding about such things is limited. Thanks for pointing me in a new direction of understanding guys.

Nik,

I believe in Chi very much. I feel that it is a very natural process ( and one that can be enhanced through training ), and that as soon as science is ready, it will be able to quantify the process according to natural laws.

There is no such thing as that which falls outside of the laws of nature. The Law of Physics and such, are ways to explain the Laws of Nature, but they are just pieces of a larger puzzle. We do not have all the pieces yet, maybe we never will. That's ok.

I do know I live in a world where Chi-based no-hit knockouts have yet to be proven. The Systema guys are big into no-hit knockdowns too, which is why I didn't end up starting their classes, and looked for something with a little less BS.

Derren Brown's show Trick of the Mind, on BBC, was a big eye-opener to me. In terms of the human condition, and how easily our minds are manipulated. I am convinced Derren Brown could do a no-hit knockout ( that looks more convincing than half these idiots on youtube ) using purely scientific/psyciatric principles.

He has done tricks where he makes people feel energy inside them before. Our senses may create the world around us, but our mind still has a few options for how to interpret this world.

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I'd have to see it to believe it.