Found this new video. Not that "hardcore" but they are trying to be clean and use proper CLF techniques.
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I also learned a praying mantis fist style from watching the actual insect itself. This was before I actually learned some seven star mantis.
Nice concept of using your style, but in many parts looked far too much like slap fighting and lacked proper control and use of motion and their spinning back fists were weak and without power, the majority of the time they were done they didn't have their eyes watching their back or the direction of the swing, they were just wild.
Well they aren't the cream of the crop. But I'll have to say these guys are at least more sound STRUCTURALLY than the majority of the CLF stuff I've seen on the internet. The backfists are certainly lacking power but this is light sparring also. Anyways I'm just happy that people in my system are trying to make it work for reals, whether they are beginners or advanced they are trying to do something more useful than collecting forms.
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I also learned a praying mantis fist style from watching the actual insect itself. This was before I actually learned some seven star mantis.
Nothing wrong with a bit of light sparring. My main crit, is that the dude in black seems determined to give his back to his opponent as many times as possible. I mean, I like spinning backfists as much as the next man, but......
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whether they are beginners or advanced they are trying to do something more useful than collecting forms.
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I would say beginners ( at least they are definitely beginners when it comes to sparring. ). And yes, the fact that they are at least trying to be more live with their KF is a very good thing.
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Nothing wrong with a bit of light sparring. My main crit, is that the dude in black seems determined to give his back to his opponent as many times as possible. I mean, I like spinning backfists as much as the next man, but......
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I think that is a fundamental error with a lot of CLF beginners in fighting, especially the guys that are INTENT on using their forms/drills/etc. We have a lot of spinning backfists in drills, but these guys look like Chan Family and they use a crapload of them in many drills. I would not be surprised if that is how the heavy dosage of spinning fists came from, in their sparring session.
I agree with you however; exposing your back to the enemy is not a good idea. As for me I like to use a lot of chaap choys (stabbing fists) and basic boxing combinations before attempting to throw in a lower-percentile technique such as gwa choy or sau choy.
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I also learned a praying mantis fist style from watching the actual insect itself. This was before I actually learned some seven star mantis.
Yea, they are beginners I think, so I don't want to criticize their every movement, because that's not fair.
The way I like to employ spinning backfists ( and lately I been digging the spinning back elbow too ), is when I have made the mistake of giving my back. It normally happens when I over-commit to a kick and my partner jumps away and the momentum from missing turns my back to him, or he sometimes pushes my leg at the same time to turn me even more with my own momentum. So, I have unintentionally given him my back, so I thought, well, I should do something, and this turning is already a good windup for a spinning backfist, so why not use that energy for something useful ?
My training partner was a bit weary of coming in when I spun around because of a few connections in earlier sessions. But after a couple sessions, and I would guess some private plotting on his part, he set me up so I kicked, missed, gave my back, and as I spin with my spinning backfist, he is hitting me low for a takedown. Ahh, the fun ! Good thing I've been sprawling all week, cause we jamming tomorrow
A big problem with a lot of TMA sparring, ( not just TCMA ) is that the students are afraid to modify stuff for live fighting. I guess it's some sort of worry that if they change too much, then they will lose their system. But, I think, if you can train your forms, then go spar people and actually modify what you are doing for your own specific style of fighting ( which is an ongoing evolution in itself ) to make it work for you, then everything in MA starts to make a LOT more sense.
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the majority of the time they were done they didn't have their eyes watching their back or the direction of the swing
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Yes, I also noticed this.
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I agree with you however; exposing your back to the enemy is not a good idea. As for me I like to use a lot of chaap choys (stabbing fists) and basic boxing combinations before attempting to throw in a lower-percentile technique such as gwa choy or sau choy.
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I think you touch on a key point here. One of the biggest problems with not having that Live energy while sparring, is that you will never learn when is the correct window for the correct technique/flow. Just so I don't seem to only be pointing at TCMA, you have some FMA guys who know like a million flow drills and they are amazing with them, but as soon as some insane muf***a with no training, but has rage and experience, crashes into them, that's all she wrote.
The point is, if someone doesn't take it to the Live step, then it doesn't matter if their techniques are the most effective in the world, they will not be able to use them correctly when the time comes ( and the adrenaline rush, that they will be unfamiliar with, hits them ). Hell, even if you train live a LOT it doesn't mean your whole plan isn't gonna turn to s***.
But when you spar with someone enough, your body starts to remember these little windows of opportunity. And when your body remembers, your brain starts to recognize patterns and rhythms that go beyond what the intellectual mind can ever come to terms with. When you are starting to feel/see these "windows", then you start to see where some of these crazy moves can start to fit into the greater spectrum of self-defense. Combat is alive and unpredictable, but even Chaos has patterns, however fleeting.
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most of the boxing combos start out with some kind of straight. also, it seems like you won't be in range to land a hook without first doing something to safely cross the gap, like with a jab.
Boxing's not my thing though. Is there a circumstance where you can start out with a hook, safely?
most of the boxing combos start out with some kind of straight. also, it seems like you won't be in range to land a hook without first doing something to safely cross the gap, like with a jab.
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Also, don't forget, among other things, jabs score points. If you are training for self defense, you would do better to consider your jab as a Left Straight, and put knockout power into it. Why not knock him out with it instead of probe him with it ?
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Is there a circumstance where you can start out with a hook, safely?
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Yes, it happens. A lot of the time it is not safe, especially in boxing. But when kicks and grappling and everything else get involved, then there are many times when a Hook can be a good starter ( and the beginning of the end ). Though you are right, not from the same range as a Straight which has more reach.
Say someone is punching you in the head, but you have covered up and are absorbing most of the damage, then Duck n Weave to Left or Right Hook ( for examples, see Tyson fights ). Also, ( with left lead, reverse if you use right ) Left Hook - Right Straight is a very good combo. If the Left Hook lands, it will often send your opponent into a line with your Right Straight. There's lot's more but it is all really circumstantial application. I would suggest you try some stuff out for yourself and see what you think ?
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