Strength

“	Originally Posted By: CLF Devil Josh do you take credit card?	”

Yep! =)

“	Originally Posted By: Sammygirl It can if you're training strength half the time and plyometrics the other half, a la Grimm's routine there. From what I've read, plyometrics training is only recommended once per week, and that's for athletes.	”

Not true! A well designed plyometrics program produces optimal results with 2-3 training sessions per week, and if hes doing simple basic stuff, he could easily train it more days than that.

Look, I dont know what kind of intensity or order of splits, etc that he is doing or how well his current program is designed, but the fact that hes training plyometrics and strength with only one rest day does NOT necessarily mean hes overtraining, we would need more information about him and his current program to really determine that--There are plenty of ways to incorporate these things properly and not overtrain. Whether hes doign things right is still yet to be seen...

“	Originally Posted By: Sammygirl IMO a well-rounded training regime includes your standard boring endurance-building cardio, a varied strength training routine (that includes functional strength exercises, not just static lifting), and a "special" routine like a plyometrics or HIIT set, or a rousing game of ping-pong -- something to break up your routine	”

Thats the basic 1980s fitness program; while things have evolved a lot of the years, lots of studies have shown it to work well...

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My weight training split is pretty much like this:
Monday: Chest and Arms
Wednesday Traps, Shoulders and Back
Friday: Legs

My plyometric split simply put is this
Tuesday:Jump Rope and stationary one-legged hops from one foot to the other.
Thursday:Jump Rope and Burpys
Saturday: Jump Rope and Medicine Ball

Plus I do Sit-ups every day except Sunday

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I agree with Josh in this thread.

Also, his jow is good stuff.

“	Plus I do Sit-ups every day except Sunday	”

I may be wrong about this, you may need to ask FF or someone in the know.... but I think that's a good idea because one of the ten commandments was "Thou shalt not work thy core or abs on the Sabbath".....

even though I think the Sabbath was originally Saturday.......

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Yeah, that must be it. After all, I don't want to break any rules now.

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Strength training is NOT identical with "western" fitness temple weightlifting bodybuilding routine, pumping on isolated muscles. Functional strength training trains core muscle and whole-body strength, in specific ways. Sometimes, it's not about weightlifting or not, it's about HOW you lift the weights, how much, and how much you work on changing the muscle layout into something that suits certain profiles. Bob Sapp is huge, but doesn't punch his weight even a little. Fighters half his weight KO him easily, and punch like 10 times the power.

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Nik is correct.

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“	Originally Posted By: PlumDragon Thats the basic 1980s fitness program; while things have evolved a lot of the years, lots of studies have shown it to work well...	”

I'm definitely a little too 80s sometimes...

Your breakdown is fine and probably correct but I just know what wouldn't work for me.

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My wife is from Israel and there Sat. is the day of rest.
Strength and size are not one in the same. that is why it always makes me laugh when big guys and fat guys think they are tough just cause of their size.

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Oooh, look the Korean stylist used Chinese
http://www.dragonslist.com/discussio...read-ever.html

I can't help to laugh at that either.

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strength is needed for all martial arts. Of course there are varying degrees and various methods of using strength along the lines of using mobilizer as well as stablizer muscles.

A well educated person would see the need to add a well thought out strength program to help them gain strength as well as better flexibility and range of motion.

Im a big fan of bodyweight, kettlebell and resistance band training. Machines are the devil.

Funny that Im a Baguazhang teacher, but most see me and my size and tell me that I cannot be internal being a big strong person.

that is rather funny as I connect with their spine and mop the floor with them.

Anyone who says they do not have to strength train is deluded.

Its a necessity, not an option

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Yes, typical stereotype. It's funny though. I wish I could see the looks on their faces.

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“	Originally Posted By: Dale Dugas67 strength is needed for all martial arts. Of course there are varying degrees and various methods of using strength along the lines of using mobilizer as well as stablizer muscles. A well educated person would see the need to add a well thought out strength program to help them gain strength as well as better flexibility and range of motion. Im a big fan of bodyweight, kettlebell and resistance band training. Machines are the devil. Funny that Im a Baguazhang teacher, but most see me and my size and tell me that I cannot be internal being a big strong person. that is rather funny as I connect with their spine and mop the floor with them. Anyone who says they do not have to strength train is deluded. Its a necessity, not an option	”

Dale, I concur.. Many people physically connect with another person without any result as to what they felt at all, and I always try to leave the impression that they felt SOMETHING. I think holding a good amount of strength that you can impose on them in some area or another always helps that... Connecting with their spine is a great wayto go about leaving that impression.

The point where peoples opinion varies is when it comes to HOW you can train power. I never did orthodox lifting (other than around 20, epic fail), but got my strength from typical off-the-shelve internal strength training, i.e., circle walking and doing very slow moving exercises for several years. The last part was using that strength in sports which again trained it, and the muscles used. I became looking like the Michelin man, with muscles bulging near joints (knee, hips), around center (ribcage, belly). It's not so funny when you look like beer gut slim people, from having a huge lifter belly on a slim mans tall body, with a 5" muscle plate protruding your belt line. Obviously, muscles have been part of the package. The other part was "juice", not HGH, but liquid reservoirs gathering in certain body parts, making me 20% heavier in short amount of time, maybe a month, and making muscles swell (fingers, hand, belly, calfs). The latter is strictly internal strength issue, but people with a lot of physical stress on fingers or bones often get this naturally (workers doing heavy duty work, tennis players, etc.).

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I don't use weights. I train against my body and use a set of exercises not just from MA but from my previous gymnastics training as well. I used to be very against weights because they can really mess up one's flexibility. I know that they say if you stretch before and after it's okay, but one of my coaches when through a lot of pain getting into gymnastics shape after having lifted weights for a long time. We were not allowed to lift, in fact. Despite that, one can develop pretty good strength.

The other problem with lifting weights is at least traditional weight lifting seems to involve working muscle groups. I think it is better just to work motions, or movements, and not worry about specific muscle groups.

Now, having said all that...

I am using some stretch bands to strengthen an injured part of my body, and it seems to be helping. I'm not clear of the impact on my flexibility but if it's injured, it's not going to be too helpful anyway. I'm just starting to slowing stretch it out again.

My senior brother lifts weights and he's trying to convince me to use kettle bells. I'm considering this because they seem to train motions. Same thing with maybe wear some weight when I do forms.

As I mentioned, my senior brother lifts and he's a very good martial artist, good fighter. On the other hand, my stiffest least flexible and least agile students are the weight lifters.

I don't know how helpful that was, but there it is.

Coming from a gymnastics background myself I agree with yauchoy.

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