Grappling vs Striking

**Nik** · #61 (**permalink**) July 14th, 2003, 03:31 PM

BTW, I am not talking about fights with Tyson type criminals in their bar. I am talking of fights with "Biff" types having some "Fred", "Barney" and "Lou" behind them.

As I already wrote, I walked away from a Tyson criminal more or less angry, but shaken.

**GuiLongUmar** · #62 (**permalink**) July 14th, 2003, 03:33 PM

"I work on my ability to levitate, that will be my spare time activity after I am 50. "

HAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, ha !
LMAO, peeing, tears. Oooh yu slayed me big time.
Thats it, you are good. After a flaming like that you deserve a medal.

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The reply obviously was to Baichi. You came in between. BTW, you shouldn't disable PN.

Nikolaus, the Great

aqira · #63 (**permalink**) July 14th, 2003, 03:36 PM

only the mind counts numbers, only the mind conceives odds, only the mind sees capability or limit, yet the mind depends on the body to perform.

The body is the physical extent of the sphere, the mind is the conceptual extent of the sphere, both are within it and can only effect what enters with them.

(basic stuff)

**GuiLongUmar** · #64 (**permalink**) July 14th, 2003, 03:55 PM

Ummm.. can you elabrate. I think I get what you mean but, not sure.

Skill is a result of experience and knowlege(refer to your favorite text on combat tactics).
When confronted, this stimulus is taken in and deciphered. Options are resultant based on experience and stimulus.

The greater the skill the less effort of thought involved. Free from the burden of calculations the mind drives the body acts and threats are nullified. One or 10.

**GuiLongUmar** · #65 (**permalink**) July 14th, 2003, 04:23 PM

Thanks for contributing so intelligently to this forum

Necronos · #66 (**permalink**) July 14th, 2003, 05:10 PM

Oh wow Nik set loose...
Hey sure every well-trained MA should be able to handle a bunch of kids but kids deserve to take the full burnt of life before you rip their much-too-big heads off. Don´t let them get away that easy! :P

However the "to fight one is the same as to fight 10" is a little euphemistic IMHO, Musashi says the SPIRIT is the same. (or rather, your spirit should be the same otherwise you are going down for sure)
Your chances are not.

Aqira as usual you said all there is to say - in words at least.

BTW Nik could it be you live near Gummersbach Heared of a good IA practioners there and you got in touch with Ken Tower who is located in Düsseldorf if I recall correctly...

**Nik** · #67 (**permalink**) July 15th, 2003, 08:20 AM

No, it's not me. And for the moment I wouldn't say I'm a good IA practitioner, just an experienced.

migo · #68 (**permalink**) July 20th, 2003, 03:18 AM

I haven't read many of the responses, but I like nevilleb's.

Anyway, my take is this: If I'm not in a grappling situaion, there's no excuse for me not to run. I'm only not going to be able to run if I'm being held on to so I'm gonna have to know how to grapple to get away or win.

Lance Havock · #69 (**permalink**) July 20th, 2003, 03:24 AM

So are you saying that if a person is content to just punch the crap out of you, you'll just run.

C'mon migo, I would at least think you would try to body them

**GuiLongUmar** · #70 (**permalink**) July 21st, 2003, 08:56 AM

"If I'm not in a grappling situaion, there's no excuse for me not to run. I'm only not going to be able to run if I'm being held on to so I'm gonna have to know how to grapple to get away or win."

Another person that watches to much TV. Have fun running with some guy or three pummeling you on the back of the head.

lvwhitebir · #71 (**permalink**) July 21st, 2003, 11:55 AM

“	Originally posted by PaiLumUmar "If I'm not in a grappling situaion, there's no excuse for me not to run. I'm only not going to be able to run if I'm being held on to so I'm gonna have to know how to grapple to get away or win." Another person that watches to much TV. Have fun running with some guy or three pummeling you on the back of the head.	”

Sorry, Migo's right. It's better to not fight than to fight. If I run and they chase me down, I may have no choice but to defend myself. The jury will have no problem with this being self defense. If I stick around and fight instead, I'm just as culpable of anything that happens. It's no longer self defense.

Personally I think people that think they should fight their way out of every situation are the ones that watch too much TV.

WhiteBirch

**GuiLongUmar** · #72 (**permalink**) July 21st, 2003, 12:13 PM

"Personally I think people that think they should fight their way out of every situation are the ones that watch too much TV."

Look I totally agree that you should do everything in your power to avoid and/or escape these type of scenarios. I am not some cowboy that thinks its my job to teach every butthole out there a lesson in humility.

What I am saying is you have to be very aware of the circumstances. Just not being grappled at the time doesn't mean you are better off or safer trying to make a run for it. All it take is one good shot from behind to take a person out.
Number one rule of street survival is NEVER turn your back which is effectively what you do when you bolt. unless you intend to run backwards to safety. I can just see all kinds of things going badly.

Taijisd · #73 (**permalink**) July 21st, 2003, 02:43 PM

Whoa! Baichi, you posted w/o the rolleyes icon!! And it was ... uhh... complimentary... wait... I'm confused... did I wake up in Bizzaro world this morning

Just in case you're going through withdrawl

There is that better

PS: it really is a good point PLU.

Taijisd · #74 (**permalink**) July 21st, 2003, 03:05 PM

Ahhh... a sense of normalcy returns.

migo · #75 (**permalink**) July 22nd, 2003, 05:27 AM

Well, let's see. I always work with the assumption that whoever I'm fighting is better than me, so if I stay around and try to duke it out I'm going to lose. So my only option is to run. If one or two hits would drop me while I'm running they would certainly do the same while I'm staying around to fight so by fighting I'm just increasing my chances of getting knocked out. Ideally I'll be running before they get into range in the first place, but nothing's perfect so sometimes I'll have to settle with running after the fight starts. There's just way too many variables in a fight that I can't account for and the longer I stay in the fight the more chance there is of them coming into play, and variables stacked against me is the last thing I want, period. Whether it's a fight or not.

About body checking them, that depends on which way I'm running.

If they're in the way of my escape route I'll check them.

As for being aware of my environment, well of course. It won't do me much good if I'm not paying attention and run into a wall. This is of course just an example and I know there are tons of scenarios where it wouldn't work, but: I'd try circling around, backing away, and then bolting at the first good opportunity. If I have to throw a few strikes (or a lot) before I get that opportunity I will, but running is always going to be one of the foremost things on my mind, whether I'm grappling or not. I just don't expect that in most situations I'll have to do anything other than run to get away.