Wushu Opinions

I'm just writing this to get some opinions out there on Wushu and Capoeria. Whatever kind of opinion you want, information, or whatever you would like to write!

Thanks!

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Wushu- I'm going to kill you, but first, I am going to jump over you with a backwars somersault waving this huge flag!!!

Capoera- Apparently this seriously kicks butt! Some UFC type people have strated to incorporate the kicks etc into their repotoire!

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Both came from traditional fighting systems but were altered due to government changes.

They are great at physical conditioning and if you got really good at them you could probably use them in a fight.

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I would consider Wushu (with its today meaning) as movement training and athletics. Excellent for that. They could remove the pathethic wushu-weapons and replace them with real ones..

Capoeira is a "party art" mostly, also excellent as conditioning and movement training, however there is an art of "martial capoeira" which is really impressive, and effective.
As far as I know, especially the knife fighting of the Capoeristri is remarkable.

Both names, Wushu and Capoeira have much more than just one meaning associated with them.

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Met one dude that did capoiera, would have like to have fought him.......

Wushu people are.....well they are wushu people.

Wushu (speaking strictly as the Wushu that was created by the Chinese Government):
Not an extremely effective self-defence martial art, per se. I've spoken with several Wushu practitioners and they've all basically said that what they do is more about the athletics involved. Balance, power, speed, etc. All of these things are very important in any martial art, but the most important part of self-defense is picking apart the moves you've learned and trying to apply them in combat situations. Which the average Wushu practitioner does not do. This isn't to say that you couldn't do Wushu and be a badass.

Capoeira: I haven't seen this style done by someone who has trained for a long time, but a fellow Hung Gar student did some CAP. I have to say that I was impressed with it. Now this student didn't spar doing the dance that you typically see CAP stylists doing, but he did have some really interesting and powerful kicks. I was impressed.

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Capoeira is phenomenal for building agililty, flexability, and clairty of focus during rapid movement. I have a friend who studies, and some of the things he can do are amazing. I wish I had taken it when my body was younger. It is difficult for me to learn some of the ariel movements now.

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“	Capoera- Apparently this seriously kicks butt! Some UFC type people have strated to incorporate the kicks etc into their repotoire!	”

You mean Alan Goes He looked like a complete fruit when he tried to kick Coleman.

Mestre Hulk didn't do too badly, he survived against Kerr which is very impressive.

“	Both came from traditional fighting systems but were altered due to government changes.	”

I'll throw this out about Capoeira. Whatever history you hear about it, it probably isn't true. What was thought to be the history of Capoeira has come under fire after it was being researched more deeply, and right now they're trying to figure out the "real" history.

“	Capoeira is a "party art" mostly, also excellent as conditioning and movement training, however there is an art of "martial capoeira" which is really impressive, and effective. As far as I know, especially the knife fighting of the Capoeristri is remarkable.	”

Yeah, Capoeira Carioca is almost nonexistent these days though.

With Capoeira its effectiveness depends on how people train. People who train it as dance are obviously quite useless. People who train it with a mind frame as if it were a Japanese or Chinese martial art are also useless, Capoeira just doesn't work like that. People who train it with a truly open mind and realize that there are NO rules and that anything truly goes are the ones who can fight.

“	Originally Posted By: Robin Ashe I'll throw this out about Capoeira. Whatever history you hear about it, it probably isn't true. What was thought to be the history of Capoeira has come under fire after it was being researched more deeply, and right now they're trying to figure out the "real" history.	”

I wouldn't doubt it, alot of things are screwed up by propaganda and hearsay.

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I saw some Wushu in China. Impressed the heck out of me.

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there's nothing "wrong" with Wushu
neither with Capoeira for that matter

both have been effective fighting systems
most will only know (and practise) the populair, non-fighting part of them

at the end of the day, it's not the art, but the artist
and the way you train and use your skills and knowledge

Chief108

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“	Originally Posted By: chief108 at the end of the day, it's not the art, but the artist and the way you train and use your skills and knowledge Chief108	”

Well said.

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The Chief hits the nail on the head again!! Well said..................

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well...

I'm glad I'm not wasting my time here after all...

Chief108

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all hail Martyr Fakka

I don't want to give the impression that I think either Wushu or CAP is not a good martial art. Almost anything can be deadly in the hands of someone who really dedicates themselves to their training.

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