forms and drills one or both

Forms or drills---
To train with and incure the benefits of each both forms and drills advantages should be considered. The use of forms or drills is often considered and even debated. The observation of each can show an advanatage and disadvantage of each.

To connect techniques together, to flow from one to another, the training method of forms is very beneficial.
Though single skill developement through forms is limited as the single skill is only part of several others. This reduces the attention that one skill requires to be fully capable.
To perfect the skill of techniques especially those that include strikes or kicks drills work very well Though it is only a skill development and does not offer connectivity.

To fight from reaction that would be the result of repetitious drills the handicap would be the control the reaction is given and has over responsive actions that can not as be variable and amendable.

Forms give a two-fold skill in that the techniques are trained to be executable yet the options of altering them or nullifying them in substitute for something else is also trained.

There is a flowing unity of mind and body that forms are intended to develop and enhance.

There is a skill level of proficiency that drills enhance and develope.

Knowing which training method to use when and under what conditions with which desired results, is important to take the utmost advantage of each.

The use of both forms and drills in the appropriate intention is beneficial, the selection of one over the other reduces possibilities and waste the improvements that can be obtained through using both in their optimize means.

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well you really said it all aqira. Form alone will not help cultivate the freedom of thought or feel that drilling will. But you can over drill as well and essentially program yourself too strictly.

One reason an intelligent and experienced teacher is so important. Knowing how to moderate the training is the key that leads to total freeform usage.

Good thread man.

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freeform is a word a lot of people don't really understand and it is under rated, and good point Pai it is one direction I was going to go when some responces were posted.

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oops, I have a habit of jumping to the end huh

ok

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It's not enough to just not get hit

no thats' ok, there are a few things before that

and freeform though a goal is not going to be reached by just this, there are many aspects included in mind body unity

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Another thing to consider is the the difference between the two as one adapts and develops a certain nature while the other adapts to and develops certain conditioning.

The two developments are both important however having an imbalance between them is a common result of an imbalance approach in development.

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Yes, one inherent in most "Systems" including mine.Its hard to break the training mold. So many things are simply part of the curriculum. Yes many serve a long term goal but many just tak up time nd effort that could better be used training other things..

I have been slowly trying myself. whil staying connected to the people in Pai Lum who want things to stay traditional, as in the way GM Pai did it. Not always the best way to go despite his knowlege and experience.

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I often question the way training in stages is laid out, some forms some drills some techniques the way one comes after the other is not always the best stairway.
Some styles put to many limits on newer students, from day one why should be in every sentence, demonstration, and every presentation

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Thats kind fof tough. I suppose if you are letting them know why all the time, you may not get so many questions later.

Then that kind of leads though, to students not learning through sensation and experience as much. They want to know what its all for and how its supposed to be done and how it feels.

But as a teacher you can only base those answers onyour experiences which will be different than theirs.

There comes a time when you need to say "just do it, dont ask, just feel, you'll figure it out and when you do you tell me"

Of course this only after they have the basic mechanics down already.

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I agree why is something you add, also not so much why you do it but why it works, a more complete picture so they can get the basics or fundamentals through that aproach. Still the student has to have expierence of their own but thtas true in any skill development

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“	Originally Posted By: aqira I often question the way training in stages is laid out, some forms some drills some techniques the way one comes after the other is not always the best stairway.	”

I agree...
we test new students for a while, discuss what could be best for them and work on that *with* them...
even now, after years, my instructor does the same with me...
I get the training that will make me a better Eagle Claw practitioner, not the training that belongs to the curriculum...

some students do basic forms I've NEVER seen before, just because they weren't *right* for me to train when I was beginning...

there's so much to learn and there are so many different people
why stick to one "way" of doing things

in any training, sports, spiritual, whatever, that is limiting the student

the best way to teach is to learn the student how to train and improve yourself

Chief108

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