A clarification

This isn't intended as a continuation of the "forms to fighting" thread, but an attempt to flesh out my position.

It seems some people have gotten the idea that I am a BJJ nutrider.

This is not so, and a straw man arguement. I have never stated that BJJ is superior to all other styles. I have nothing but respect for any school that trains "alive" (in the realm of CMA san shou and shuai jiao come to mind).

I have actually been investigating tiger and eagle claw kung fu for the alternative grips they provide, to add to my sub grappling game.

In addition I practice frog qigong for half an hour every day.

There are plenty of things in the BJJ world I dislike, such as the high prices and blatant monopolism by WHORErion and co.

So I invite anyone to try to find any example of me saying BJJ is superior to all other arts.

hey im in bjj and i dont say it is supirior but i like it more than i like other styles

That's fantastic Hogey!

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whats that supposed to mean

Just giving him what he was looking for.

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“	Originally Posted By: hedgehogey So I invite anyone to try to find any example of me saying BJJ is superior to all other arts.	”

Sorry dude, invitations like that have been sent out before....no one ever wants to dance.

Hmmm... wonder how long this thread will stay open

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Easy Jawsman, just nod, smile, and agree...then slowly back away. Everything will be fine.

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The other thread was locked....lets not have this one turn into an argument also.

Hogey: Thanks for the clarification.
Judoka: This has to do w/a previous thread...no one is trying to insult the style.

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It was not only about "superiority".

It is completely pointless to try searching for "holes" or "uselessness" in BJJ if you are a "Kungfu guy", and "forms" if grappler. It should be about understanding, knowing, exchange, and tolerating. Forms have a certain purpose, like ropeskipping. So it is useless to try to prove they don't promote you into impersonation of the "iron monkey". Forms are athletic training, and they give you athletics, balance, and some sense of moving around. Everything beyond that is personal understanding and body intuition. Some have it, most don't, that's why you have fighting practices. The question was how forms add to fighting, not if this alone makes you unbeatable. This is the big problem of most "form bashOrz".

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Nicely said Nik.

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Please share you journey of MA on my opinions and personality thread. It would be nice to know your background and how you came to were you are and where you are heading.

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“	Originally Posted By: Nik It was not only about "superiority". It is completely pointless to try searching for "holes" or "uselessness" in BJJ if you are a "Kungfu guy", and "forms" if grappler. It should be about understanding, knowing, exchange, and tolerating. Forms have a certain purpose, like ropeskipping. So it is useless to try to prove they don't promote you into impersonation of the "iron monkey". Forms are athletic training, and they give you athletics, balance, and some sense of moving around. Everything beyond that is personal understanding and body intuition. Some have it, most don't, that's why you have fighting practices. The question was how forms add to fighting, not if this alone makes you unbeatable. This is the big problem of most "form bashOrz".	”

Nik is the man!!!

jeff

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“	Originally Posted By: Nik It was not only about "superiority". It is completely pointless to try searching for "holes" or "uselessness" in BJJ if you are a "Kungfu guy", and "forms" if grappler. It should be about understanding, knowing, exchange, and tolerating. Forms have a certain purpose, like ropeskipping. So it is useless to try to prove they don't promote you into impersonation of the "iron monkey". Forms are athletic training, and they give you athletics, balance, and some sense of moving around. Everything beyond that is personal understanding and body intuition. Some have it, most don't, that's why you have fighting practices. The question was how forms add to fighting, not if this alone makes you unbeatable. This is the big problem of most "form bashOrz".	”

Nice.

“	Easy Jawsman, just nod, smile, and agree...then slowly back away. Everything will be fine.	”

Jawsman enters, looks around and nods in agreement. Slowly slips back into the dark murkiness..........

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So no one is going to try to find the part where he said bjj is the best