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April 29th, 2005, 03:06 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Fa Jing Video I've been hearing a lot about Fa Jing and I have never seen it myself, so I was wondering whether someone had a clip of a demonstration of Fa Jing, I would much appreciate it if you posted it up or sent it to me, thank you | 
April 29th, 2005, 05:43 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | From the outside, it looks like "just a punch", or just a ram, so it would not help much to understand. You cannot tell if someone is doing a fajing, other than by feeling it, or gauging from the result. When someone is touched on the chest like a slight onehanded push, and goes up two feet in the air, then this is a fajing. When you do all the shaking of the body in the world, your hair flying wildly, your eyes popping out of your head, your body doing irrational jerking, and the result relies on hitting the eye, or is not any different from giving someone a NBA salute push, then it wasn't. Or a very light one, which does not need eyes popping out or freaking movements.
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April 29th, 2005, 05:59 AM
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Rep Power: 160 | | | “ | When you do all the shaking of the body in the world, your hair flying wildly, your eyes popping out of your head, your body doing irrational jerking | ” | |
Now that would be an entertaining video
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April 29th, 2005, 09:39 AM
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April 29th, 2005, 09:43 AM
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May 27th, 2005, 02:18 PM
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May 27th, 2005, 05:31 PM
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Rep Power: 23 | | | OK..... don't take this the wrong way, but that looks fake as heck.
I know that some people are capable of doing such things but none of the clips on that site make me believe that I am seeing the real thing.
All clips start with the students jumping backwards as far as I can tell.
<But how can they jump backwards with one bent leg and one straight leg. The bent leg shoots up without pushing off the ground then the straight leg flies off the ground?>
Cause the students appear to be using the momentum of the first upward moving leg to lift thier bodies.
No offense meant, but...... no lookey real to me. I am but a novice so perhaps my untrained eye does not see the truth of what is going on.
Not trying to be rude, just honest.
Thanks for the link to the vids.
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May 27th, 2005, 05:56 PM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | This _might_ be the real thing. Real fajings hit so sudden that you do strange, jerky movements to deal with the impact. It can also be fake, but you couldn't tell. You have to be there and feel it yourself. This is an instance where you cannot go by the outside look as with certain other individuals (if someone jumps into the other guy, it's not real). Some of the videos look fishy, especially because they never show the stuff from the beginning. They almost all start with the guy already being half in the air. At least a few movements look faked, because the timing looks "late". The real stuff however doesn't look any different. I was there when Ma Jiangbao did a "booh" movement with one hand, stretched fingers, and the guy went up in the air half a meter. And he definetly did NOT jump, because he was pulled off his feet forward before being sent back.
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May 27th, 2005, 09:34 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | [quote=Enada]OK..... don't take this the wrong way, but that looks fake as heck.
I know that some people are capable of doing such things but none of the clips on that site make me believe that I am seeing the real thing.
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I understand....when I first saw the site I thought it was probably fake myself. About a year ago, however, I visited his class and saw such demonstrations live.
I don't think its fake anymore, but whenever I post the link looking for more info on Master Fung I get replies saying it has to be fake and no one seems to know much about him.
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May 28th, 2005, 02:27 PM
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May 28th, 2005, 05:37 PM
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PLay it a few time and you can see his root shift sink hit then push through.
A Fajing a generally a very small motion, Similar(not exactly) to the body's action during a sneeze.
There is no need of follow through because its an almost instantaneous tranfer of energy.
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May 28th, 2005, 06:34 PM
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...I was there when Ma Jiangbao did a "booh" movement with one hand, stretched fingers, and the guy went up in the air half a meter. And he definetly did NOT jump, because he was pulled off his feet forward before being sent back. | ” | |
I've also seen Ma Jiangbao demonstrate. His Fa-chin is authentic.
If you ever get to meet his nephew, Sifu Eddie Wu, you will see quite a bit of power generation skill as well.
The thing about fake or real to look for that is helpful is; does the recipient look truly uncomfortable? Someone who is faking, someone who jumps, rarely jumps out of control from an uncomfortable position to an uncomfortable position. If the fa-chin is authentic, the recipient should be noticeably uncomfortable for the entire trip, in other words. Someone who has been well and truly belted by fa-chin will be skipping a considerable distance backwards on their heel (if moved) or flying through the air (if thrown) in a way that they would never be able to choose themselves, a way that will cause their balance to be disrupted to the point that their ability to retaliate is completely obviated. 
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May 28th, 2005, 06:56 PM
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May 29th, 2005, 06:21 PM
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I've also seen Ma Jiangbao demonstrate. His Fa-chin is authentic.
The thing about fake or real to look for that is helpful is; does the recipient look truly uncomfortable? Someone who is faking, someone who jumps, rarely jumps out of control from an uncomfortable position to an uncomfortable position. If the fa-chin is authentic, the recipient should be noticeably uncomfortable for the entire trip, in other words. Someone who has been well and truly belted by fa-chin will be skipping a considerable distance backwards on their heel (if moved) or flying through the air (if thrown) in a way that they would never be able to choose themselves, a way that will cause their balance to be disrupted to the point that their ability to retaliate is completely obviated.  | ” | |
Thats one of the things that convinced me I was seeing the real thing with Mr. Fung. The person being thrown would go from (what looked like) a strong rooted postion to a flying through the air, barely able to keep their balance. Many times the throwee would even make sounds like they we straining to try and keep from being thrown out....kind of a groan. A few times, when he was working with what seemed to be less senior students, they would have to have someone behing them to catch them if the could not keep their feet under them. The result seemed to be the same whether his students made contact with his hands, back, belly, even legs.
Has anyone else seen his class or demonstrations? The videos on yichuankungfu.com really are not that good because they are so cut off at the beginning. I have asked in other forums but only good response was an old quote from a former student that someone dug up. It seems to me there would be more info on a master of his caliber. Thanks -Mike | 
June 25th, 2005, 05:27 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | Hello, I had asked very politely Master Fong to do one of his demonstrations on me personaly. He refused, and said only the appropriate student. I have seen many demonstrations of no force power and I still do not firmly believe. From what I have felt personally in power demonstrations that if the master hit you with that much force you would be in the hospital. I have a master that demonstrates on a large tree www.chinesefightingarts.org/chinese_fighting_arts-hsingi.htm . Let me know what you think.
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