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May 1st, 2004, 12:33 PM
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Every one knows about tai chi and health, but what about the other internal arts Is it just a case of how well you train and it doesn't matter what or are some better than others for health
I'm suddenly in a position where I can change direction if I want and I fancy adding on some Hsing-i or Pa kua (because of their rep as 'fighting styles') but don't want to give up the very real health benefits of my tai chi.
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May 1st, 2004, 01:19 PM
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May 2nd, 2004, 11:09 PM
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usually a real martial system is great for health. A great health system may or may not be martial - usually not.
TaiJi as a health things is a relatively new thing. Don't thing Yang Lu Chan went to teach health to the imperial "guards"
Locally some teach bagua like taiji - walk in circle till you get dizzy - fling arms like chimpanzee and twirl like a flamenco dancer.
All depends on teacher. Good TJ, XY and BG teachers all seems to fight similar after a while - maybe with a different flavor.
btw - what health are you concerned about. - If it's the cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thing - then forget about it. It's it's some particular ailment then I think some of those arts maybe better - again depends on the teacher and what it taught, how, when etc.
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May 3rd, 2004, 03:26 AM
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May 3rd, 2004, 03:35 AM
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Rep Power: 7 | | | What I like about martial arts is that it trains the mind and the body, the gym on the other hand only seems to train the body. I agree with the statement that any good martial system should also be good for health.
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May 3rd, 2004, 10:56 AM
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Posted By: li xiao long
Why not do martial arts to become a good fighter, and do the gym to be a fit n healthy person
Man, its like riding a bike but saying im driving my car... | ” | |
really
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May 4th, 2004, 04:03 PM
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May 4th, 2004, 04:13 PM
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Posted By: li xiao long
Why not do martial arts to become a good fighter, and do the gym to be a fit n healthy person
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Hey now, you don't always get the sweat you want out of the dojo.
For health, don't do Muay Thai. I mean, damn I got muscles from that, great cardio (even with my pack o day habit) and confidence, but also some interesting life injuries. Brutal force is brutal on your body.
Anywho, back when I was at the dojo, even though I was having KILLER workouts that ranged from 1-4 hours 3-4 days a week, I still went to the weight gym 1-2 times a week. Certain things just weren't getting worked on right and it completemented my training nicely. I worked on my lower back in the weight gym and had less problems with it in the dojo. Also, being the typical girl that I am, I'd work the hell ou of my glutes and noticed in about a week's time a major improment on my running/joggin endurance.
I probaly didn't need the weight gym at that dojo, most of class was conditioning. But the TSD school I checked out didn't offer too much along the lines of cardio other than 50 jumping jacks and kick line drills.
I myself have been wanting to look into a softer/internal art like KF for the long term health reasons alone. I love the agression and down right brutality of kickboxing and stuff, but my body can't handle years of that.
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May 4th, 2004, 05:21 PM
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Rep Power: 69 | | | Master Huang, at Xing Yi Camp, said something to the affect that he felt that Ba Gua and Xing Yi guys tended to be HEALTHIER and LIVE LONGER because many Tai Chi people were too obsessed with softness and didn't understand softness in it's proper context.
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May 4th, 2004, 10:53 PM
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May 5th, 2004, 01:07 AM
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Rep Power: 48 | | | I'm taking taiji along with kung fu because if I learn it now, then I'll be prepared for when I'm old and (GOD forbid) unable to do this anymore. -I hurt my other hamstring tonight in class. Now I'm really screwed. I think 2 weeks in Europe is just what the dotor ordered.
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May 5th, 2004, 03:08 AM
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Rep Power: 111 | | | Staying active and not buying into the philosophy that old people can not still move about is the key to an increased modality. Physical activity is also shown to keep the brain functioning so as to prevent some mentally degenerative diseases associated with old age. You might not be like you are now, but most certainly don't have to retire and play bridge at 60.
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May 5th, 2004, 07:39 AM
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Rep Power: 160 | | | I'm not too concerned about 'when I get old'. I've seen both hard and soft stylists who were around seventy and could still thrash me. Besides, BK Iyengar is 85 and still doing advanced postures. I'm not really interested in the "cheeee" thing, either. What I'm looking to do is improve my fighting ability by doing something else without losing the specific health benefits tai chi has already given me. As for fitness - tai chi takes too long. I do plenty of Ashtanga and swim a lot, and although I've been 'clean' on the weights for six months that's an addiction I'll never shake. It's just not an issue.
Some one's going to ask why I think the other internal arts are 'better' for fighting. I don't, I know tai chi's an effective art. I just think I'm more likely to get some results sooner with bagua/xingy. I've been told that with tai chi you have to practice being soft until 'after many years' the body changes and you develop a different kind of 'hard' strength. I'd like to be able to fight before that happens.
As for training all three - when
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May 5th, 2004, 02:21 PM
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May 6th, 2004, 11:20 AM
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