dit da jow

Hi all,

Just one thing I would like to add for the sake of newcomers, Did Da Jow is to be applied externally. Some Jow's contain poisonous herbs, that could be quite harmfull if ingested. The site that was posted, containing recipies, almost makes it sound like you should drink them!!!!! 'To be taken twice a day, one 30ml cup in the morning, one in the evening.' wow!
please, correct me If I'm wrong, maybe this jow can be drunk, but I doubt it

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I really stumbled over the same. I am somehow irritated, so, would someone elaborate

I didn't follow the link, so I can't speak for this specific case, but I have tried a form of iron training that involved ingesting the formula.

In our case we had three different formula and we refered to them as 'A', 'B', and 'C'.


Formula A was to be applied before training.

Formula B was to be applied immediately after training.

Formula C was to be taken internally daily (usually before going to bed).


After a few months I reverted to the iron training I was familiar with (only external application of formula).

Some Jow recipies are made for internal use, but they should be specified. Internal Jow is used for internal damage ex. a dim mak strike or heavily bruised area. If your not shure that your recipie is 100% safe then dont drink it or get it into any open wounds. (it may not immediately kill you off but ingested it would make one very sick.). If used in a cut or something of the sort the only worries you'll have is of infection/irritation. I would suggest putting some sort of covering over any open wounds while training to prevent this from happening. Even if you don't get the jow on the wound itself, your sweat may drip and get into the cuts.

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I've never personally made a jow, but one kwoon I studied at in Austin had a big bottle for general use. It was a shuai jiao school, so any "fall-hit"medicine came in handy. Although the sifu taught external iron palm as well. One thing I do know however, when you brew your jow, always store it in a glass or ceramic container, not plastic. The jow can dissolve some of the polastic over time, contaminating the brew. Also this is external use only I realise that almost everyone here has some knowlege of this, but just in case"almost" is'nt "everyone". Lastly as mentioned before, keep out of sunlight, but in addition you may opot to keep yours in insulated or taped up bottle, the sun can have a damaging effect on some of the brewed herbs. You also need to shake the storage bottle every now and then(at least once a week) to get well brewed mix.

this is a recipe from ninjitsu:
fu****e-The immortal hand conditioning liniment is designed to turn the hands into the most efficient striking weapons they can become. The process is long, but the results are amazing.

Stage one liniment - Hot mixture
This liniment is for the beginner and should be applied to fists, elbows, knees and feet. It consists of 6 grams Tian Chi Ginseng (pseudo ginseng root), 9 grams Zhang Nao (camphor), 9 grams Bo He (peppermint), 3 grams She Xiang (deer gland secretions), 6 grams Yu Jin (turmeric tuber), 6 grams Dang Gui (tang kuei root) and 9 grams Bing Pian (camphor resin). These herbs are combined and then ground into a fine powder. Mix the powder with a fifth of brandy. Seal and age for 3 weeks. Apply the liniment to the body weapons before and after conditioning practice. The liniment causes a warm sensation , and a reddening of the skin is a natural occurrence. This liniment should be used for 6 months.

Stage two liniment - Stoneskin mixture
This liniment is for the intermediate student. This liniment is only for use on the hands, and is limited to a 90 day process because it contains toxic substances that prohibit prolonged use. It consists of the following herbs, tinctures and oils. 6 grams Bo He (peppermint), 3 grams Fu Zi (aconite root), 6 grams Bi Ba (long pepper fruit), 6 grams Zhang Nao (camphor), 6 grams Ding Xiang (clove flower bud), 6 grams Bai Dou Kou (cardamom), 1 ounce Cayenne Tincture, 1 ounce Cassia Oil, 1 ounce Mineral Oil, 1 ounce Lavender Oil, 1 ounce Cajeput Oil, 1 ounce Olive Oil and 1 ounce Eucalyptus Oil. The herbs are ground into a fine powder and mixed with the tincture and oils in a glass 1 liter container. Fill the remainder of the container with turpentine. Seal and age for 3 weeks. Apply to the hands (only the hands) before and after conditioning practice. NO LONGER THAN 90 DAYS.

Stage three liniment - Cold mixture
This liniment is for the advanced student. This liniment is used for the hands and feet. It consists of 6 grams Bo Hi (peppermint), 3 grams Gua Lou (flower fruit), 6 grams Huang Lian (golden thread), 3 grams Bai Zhi (angelica root), 3 grams Xiang Fu (nut grass rhizome), 3 ounces Eucalyptus Oil and 3 ounces Peppermint Oil. The herbs are ground into a fine powder. In a glass 1 liter container, mix the herbs and oils and equal amounts of rectified turpentine and ethanol. Seal and age for 3 weeks. This liniment should be kept refrigerated and applied to hands and feet before and after conditioning practice.

i have no idea why the name was censored.it doesn't even contain three of the letters! o'well this does work but if you just happen to be lazy, my father taught me to use pickle juice before farm work.this really does toughen the skin.makes them sticky and stinky, but you could always wash your hands. a word of caution though: be very careful in iron palm training.i suggest you read the thread and my response to it. you can do serious harm with out the proper guidance.

when doing internal iron hands/iron body whats wrong with ice water right after and on the occasion that you wear a wound into your skin submerge into very hot salt water i am not knocking jow in any way i just have not used it i have been using the water methods for a few years with great results and the only permanant damage to my hands and body are from previous experiences before i switched to the internal so im curious myself.

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After your movements are very correct, then the teacher can discuss why they are the way they are. First achieve precision in movement.

Please forgive my ignorance but what is the cost of assembling all these ingredients I know of a few Asian Apothecaries in the area but I don't think they post their prices on the shelves.

Or...maybe they do and i just can't read it. DOH!

Try this web site. They premix everything for you all you have to do is mix it with vodka or Ever Clear depending on how you prepare it. The instructions are included with their shipments and everything. It is good stuff as well

www.orientalherb.com

One of my teachers has written a book about treating martial arts injuries. The book is called A Tooth from the Tiger's Mouth. I've reviewed the book on www.amazon.com with respect to the external formulas that appear in the book.

My teacher (Tom Bisio) also has a monthly column in Inside Kung-Fu magazine that began in the March 2005 issue. That issue also has a formula for a basic jow for minor injuries (bruises and sprains).

In addition, Tom Bisio and Frank Butler teach are teaching a weekend seminar on external herbs for sports-related and martial arts injuries in New York City in March; for more information: www.tombisio.com

Best,

Steve Lamade

lhommedieu, thanks for posting the info. I saw that your sifu will be teaching at New England School of Acupuncture in May; looks interesting! Meantime, I'm getting the book.

Since recipes are being posted here, do any of you have specific methods for rubbing the jow in? The basics I've been given are to press with the flat of the thumb and rub the bruise away from the heart.

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“	Originally Posted By: Sammygirl lhommedieu, thanks for posting the info. I saw that your sifu will be teaching at New England School of Acupuncture in May; looks interesting! Meantime, I'm getting the book. Since recipes are being posted here, do any of you have specific methods for rubbing the jow in? The basics I've been given are to press with the flat of the thumb and rub the bruise away from the heart.	”

That's a good way of rubbing in jow; if you want to disperse even further, you could try small concentric circles with the thumb as you rub away from the center of the bruise.

I assume that you mean the heart of the bruise. Some jows have herbs that are slightly toxic and should never be used over internal organs.

Tom's class at NESA is a foundational Tui Na class. I recommend it highly. I'll be teaching in Alston (Boston) MA in June: stop by if you want to talk.

Best,

Steve Lamade

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Thanks!

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