Has anyone heard of Falun Dafa???

Well the experience was just the overflow of an ongoing problem with my family(gangs, aids worries, no structure with family, trying to find my mom a house and get her life straight, drugs, on top of some other crap). QUOTE]

i swear man, last year i went through the same exact bullsh!t, identical...
my mom was a druggy with no place to stay, i was a pothead and an ex gang member, my family disowned me and i was afraid that i had contracted an std also etc etc.

stance training helped me a great deal, also the birth of my son.


Coming from a person who understands your situation, cut all ties from gangs,
get tested, and stay away from drugs.

qigong is more like your mind reflecting through your body, if you are distressed, you should not practice qigong because at this time your chi is very unbalanced.

maybe standing meditation will work better, or any other strenuous excercise like stance training. be very careful with qigong, because it activates deep muscle tissues which can be dangerous if injured, and can be injured by simply breathing and moving in a certain way, which is what qigong is.

qi gong is not a alternative to psychotherapy. talk to someone man, dont keep it bottled up, cuz it WILL drive you crazy. for real.

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poo poo E too too...

“	i swear man, last year i went through the same exact bullsh!t, identical... my mom was a druggy with no place to stay, i was a pothead and an ex gang member, my family disowned me and i was afraid that i had contracted an std also etc etc. stance training helped me a great deal, also the birth of my son. Coming from a person who understands your situation, cut all ties from gangs, get tested, and stay away from drugs. qigong is more like your mind reflecting through your body, if you are distressed, you should not practice qigong because at this time your chi is very unbalanced. maybe standing meditation will work better, or any other strenuous excercise like stance training. be very careful with qigong, because it activates deep muscle tissues which can be dangerous if injured, and can be injured by simply breathing and moving in a certain way, which is what qigong is. qi gong is not a alternative to psychotherapy. talk to someone man, dont keep it bottled up, cuz it WILL drive you crazy. for real.	”

man good lookin

ya i stopped all tha bull**** and am tryna do good. no more qigong for me until i get some things worked out. I have seen how all the drama has hurt my mental and am staying away from evil...btw hows things now man?

and ya i should go talk to a therapist, just been lazy. Thanks for the inspiration bro.

ever since the birth of my son, things have gotten alot better.

Im glad to hear that you are doing better also. martial training will help you alot sp keep it up, and when you get a little more stable in your life, qigong is very beneficial.
keep it up bro, and stay up man.

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poo poo E too too...

is bs. Just to quote from one of my college textbooks "People who perform the falun gong exercises believe that they gain not only health and strength, but also paranormal powers such as physical invulnerability and the power to see and hear things at a great distance" Sounds like a rehash of the Boxer rebellion people to me and we know what happened to them when they tried to prove their abilities..... then this

Proving once and for all the natural supremacy of western science over eastern mysticism!!!!!!!

“	Originally Posted By: chief108 well... that jellow bamboo stuff that taught us how to make unbreakable eggs... Chief08	”

hard boil'em then candy coat'em.

the description above sounds more like traditional religious taoist magic/qi qong than anything else. they must have some kind of dogma that makes them different than other blow hards...?
... or is it scientology's attempt to infiltrate china? (you said they specifically target government personell or decisionmakers? or that many at that level of involvement in the governance of china have become members?) if this is the case then i support china's hard line and abuse of human rights against this group.

i just reread this thread. so much of what Kilik has described is scientology dogma. i can't blame china for not wanting that buch of wahoos in thier country.

“	Originally Posted By: Hum Sop Lao ... or is it scientology's attempt to infiltrate china? (you said they specifically target government personell or decisionmakers? or that many at that level of involvement in the governance of china have become members?) if this is the case then i support china's hard line and abuse of human rights against this group.	”

HAHAHHA i never thought of that! i hear ya man.

If you hear anything bad about Fa Lun Gong, it is either a Communist lie or a commentary by an ignorant person. Such things as the interviews in Time magazine cannot be taken completely on a literal level since metaphysical realities and concepts do not translate very well into ordinary human language.

Li Hong-Shi's sense of humor is often mistaken for something serious and his serious comments are often mistaken for something humorous.

Fa Lun Gong does not appear to be much different than many other kinds of Qi Gong. But what makes it stand out in power and efficiency is the "Mind Intent" of the practitioners. The goal is not merely longevity and the cure of illness like other Qi Gong systems, but rather, the goal is Enlightenment and transcendence.

So, those who only believe in what they can see with their physical eyes, do not understand what can only been seen with one's Inner Eye.

There are many kinds of Qi Gong but like finding a map to a distant place, one must ask the question: "Does this map lead me to where I wish to go?"

If you want good health, any Qi Gong will take you there. But if you also want Enlightenment and Transcendental Power, then Fa Lun Gong is a good map for getting you there.

“	Originally Posted By: banjar If you hear anything bad about Fa Lun Gong, it is either a Communist lie or a commentary by an ignorant person. Such things as the interviews in Time magazine cannot be taken completely on a literal level since metaphysical realities and concepts do not translate very well into ordinary human language. Li Hong-Shi's sense of humor is often mistaken for something serious and his serious comments are often mistaken for something humorous. Fa Lun Gong does not appear to be much different than many other kinds of Qi Gong. But what makes it stand out in power and efficiency is the "Mind Intent" of the practitioners. The goal is not merely longevity and the cure of illness like other Qi Gong systems, but rather, the goal is Enlightenment and transcendence. So, those who only believe in what they can see with their physical eyes, do not understand what can only been seen with one's Inner Eye. There are many kinds of Qi Gong but like finding a map to a distant place, one must ask the question: "Does this map lead me to where I wish to go?" If you want good health, any Qi Gong will take you there. But if you also want Enlightenment and Transcendental Power, then Fa Lun Gong is a good map for getting you there.	”

Hey man...the things i dont like about falun gong are:
IMO
1. It is available to anyone through a video tape. This is bad because many people are not ready for such powerful qigong, and it is easy for many people to make mistakes, which can really do harmful things. For instance. I bought the tape and did some exercises, but i was going through some reall tuff times and mentally instable. The exercises in falun gong at the time really hurt me instead of helped me.
2. Qigong should be supervised by a sifu or instructer and should be done according to age and physical/mental health. Im sure there are some forms of qigong that arent as powerful and may be practiced alone, but falun gong actually advertises how powerful their qigong is. Many people just arent ready for it. It also seems that they overactivate the seventh chakra(which throws you off balance, and may make you loose touch with your earthly life) without emphasizing grounding and strenghthening the root chakra. I may be wrong though.

basically im thinking that this li hong shi guy is making a lot of money without concerning the harmful effects he may be contributing to by making his video tapes so easily accesable. I believe qigong (falun gong included) shouldn't be mainstreemed with books and tapes but be kept authentic and taught from sifu to student in the correct fashion.

“	Originally Posted By: silksword....stance training helped me a great deal.	”

hey bro... just curious.... what kind of stance training did you do, and how did that help your mental; i know it can build strength and stamina as well. my guess is it developed concentration but correct me if im wrong.


btw its crazy how you had to deal with the same **** man, sounds borderline identical. kung fu is such a better way of life then the rap game type of livin. At least i see that now!

one thing that has really helped me is doing grounding exercises, one cool one is rubbing a stainless steel spoon on the bottom of your feet. You can feel it balancing your energy. Its cool

yhuangbi,

You may be on to something here when you wrote: "Many people just arent ready for it. It also seems that they overactivate the seventh chakra(which throws you off balance, and may make you loose touch with your earthly life) without emphasizing grounding and strenghthening the root chakra."

Fa Lun Gong does, indeed, activate the seventh chakra. But how can this be bad? After all, in a world full of material concerns, something that offers a higher consciousness should be most welcome.

However, when delving into metaphysical disciplines like Fa Lun Gong, it should be taken very seriously. One Fa Lun Gong practitioner whom I knew personally didn't heed his teacher's admonition that he should not be taking life by organizing fishing expeditions among his friends. After all, he was rich and didn't need to go fishing for food but he caught and killed fish for the sport of it. Two weeks later, a surprise wave from out of nowhere washed him off the rocks and out to sea where he drowned. This happened last summer on a calm day.

When dealing with the Universe, one should have respect for how the Universe functions. After all, we are all very tiny and the Universe is very big.

But there is nothing intrinsically harmful in Fa Lun Gong practice. I was surprised to find that they aren't even interested in Chi since their goal is to achieve Gong. And I found that having some other sort of Chi Gong knowledge allows for a swifter understanding and benefit from Fa Lun Gong practice.

Personally, I don't practice the Fal Lun Gong sitting meditation because at 5:00 AM I want to be moving around. I just practice the standing meditation which I like to do after a round of Chen Tai Chi practice.

All of the Chinese martial arts and qi gong are interconnected. The more the merrier!

“	And I found that having some other sort of Chi Gong knowledge allows for a swifter understanding and benefit from Fa Lun Gong practice.	”

dude...I totally agree.

“	After all, he was rich and didn't need to go fishing for food but he caught and killed fish for the sport of it. Two weeks later, a surprise wave from out of nowhere washed him off the rocks and out to sea where he drowned. This happened last summer on a calm day.	”

man... sorry to hear that....thats y i dont mess around with my seventh chakra without proper supervision.

“	Fa Lun Gong does, indeed, activate the seventh chakra. But how can this be bad? After all, in a world full of material concerns, something that offers a higher consciousness should be most welcome.	”

you probably got your stuff straight and i got no complains about kung fu practioners and people like you practicing falun gong..... but..... hear me out.

There are some who are not ready for falun gong. My reasoning is this:

Our Ground is our root. through our roots(and natures roots) we gain nourishment, power, stability, and growth. When we are grounded we are low humble and close to the earth(ever see a true kung fu master walk, he doesn't stride high and bounce off his toes, but seems to be anchored to the ground). Look how society has been bred to throw us out of this balance. It is good to be rich, bad to be poor, good to be educated, bad not to go to college, in general it is good to be HIGHly regarded-to hold one thing above another(status, nuclear warfare, politics, education). All our business, governments, religions flow hierchally from power at the top to ruling the weak below. We are born to believe we are not good enough unless we are rich and sucessful. This seems to (and to me really does) have a subconcious effect on our natural balance of growth from low to high in natural progress. We are nowadays separating further and further from our natural ways. Our own natural functions are "dirty" and need be done in "private". Our health depends on someone else, a certified doc with lots of pills and gadgets. We are denied our natural self, our natural powers to heal ourselves. Now this may sound a bit radical but, to a certain extent,to me, it makes a lot of sense. This way of society can make us loose touch with our bodies and natural functions. How many people do you know that get constipated(including yourself maybe)? Constipation is one of the most easily recognizable traits of a poorly functioning root chakra. Luckily for us on this forum (and other ma'ists)we practice martial arts which is very helpful in bringing us back in touch with our bodies to help make us complete.

O.k. so what does all this have to do with falun gong?!??

Well, the later qigong exercises totally focus on Activating and strengthening the 7th chakra, which in a case where we havent got strong roots,WILL throw us off balance, as it did with me. I think the buddha showing a thousand hands is fine for most anyone because it opens the energy meridians. It is not focusing on developing power and what not. I may be wrong, but the later exercises really develop a lot of power and suposedly even develop "supernatural powers"(supernatural powers come from a very strong, open seventh chakra connected to the infinite, i believe). So for one who is adept in kung fu (which is great for grounding and reconnecting our body-mind connection) the falun gong may be great. But for someone like me who grew up in california and smoked alot of weed, it kinda screwed with me. It threw me off balance. I stopped focusing on school, had no interest in my future, and spent most of my time over-intellectualizing things. I lost touch with my roots and seemed to go kinda wacko (what with all the other crap going on in my life) I hadn't had a strong and balanced root, and im sure there are others who dont either.

Look at the guys who claim to bounce people off, yards away, with their "supernatural" powers.

They actually challenge skilled, hard working martial artists to test their "POWERS".

That does not sound like something a humble, spiritual master would do.

It seems to me they have neglected their roots. In which case they may loose touch with the fact that they are a live, humming, natural, beautiful, human being, on this beautiful earth which we dont respect as much as we should (maybe this is the native american side of me coming out, my grandma was 25% cherokee, but too me this all makes a lot of sense).

Let me know your opinion brada . and oh. btw i grew up in Redwood City, CA. My gramps used to live off bascom ave. san jose, before he died at the age of 97, still driving and gardening in his own house!!!! (what longevity!!! whooooo hoooooo... hooray for grampa!)

yhuangbiman,

Most of us are born with two arms and two legs. And we pass through Life using these parts of us to walk and to grasp things with our hands. These are the physical parts of a man and of a woman. And these are things that we easily see with our eyes and feel with our senses.

But we also are born with other parts that are not so easily seen with the eyes or perceived with the mind. Although most of us have feet, also most of us cannot feel the souls of our feet without a bit of mental concentration and wiggling of toes. The souls of our feet have always been there but because we are not practiced in feeling the souls of our feet, we cannot instantly feel them. Instead, we must concentrate our minds and kind of wiggle our feet around to actually feel these parts of us once again.

The same is true with our spiritual levels such as chi (spirit) and gong (soul) and the chakras (plexus of strengths). These things are just as much a part of us as our feet and hands. But it takes a bit of effort to see and feel them.

This is where meditation and qi gong is so useful; these are tools for finding our qi and shen. These are not tools to be feared and avoided but rather they are tools to be respected and used.

So, practice qi gong and you will find the benefits. Don't be afraid to practice since "fear" is actually one of the spritiual poisons that prevent us from practicing spiritual disciplines.

“	Originally Posted By: banjar If you hear anything bad about Fa Lun Gong, it is either a Communist lie or a commentary by an ignorant person. Such things as the interviews in Time magazine cannot be taken completely on a literal level since metaphysical realities and concepts do not translate very well into ordinary human language..	”

How's that Koolaide taste, champ? Still waiting for the mothership to swing by for ya?

“	Originally Posted By: banjar yhuangbiman, Most of us are born with two arms and two legs. And we pass through Life using these parts of us to walk and to grasp things with our hands. These are the physical parts of a man and of a woman. And these are things that we easily see with our eyes and feel with our senses. But we also are born with other parts that are not so easily seen with the eyes or perceived with the mind. Although most of us have feet, also most of us cannot feel the souls of our feet without a bit of mental concentration and wiggling of toes. The souls of our feet have always been there but because we are not practiced in feeling the souls of our feet, we cannot instantly feel them. Instead, we must concentrate our minds and kind of wiggle our feet around to actually feel these parts of us once again. The same is true with our spiritual levels such as chi (spirit) and gong (soul) and the chakras (plexus of strengths). These things are just as much a part of us as our feet and hands. But it takes a bit of effort to see and feel them. This is where meditation and qi gong is so useful; these are tools for finding our qi and shen. These are not tools to be feared and avoided but rather they are tools to be respected and used. So, practice qi gong and you will find the benefits. Don't be afraid to practice since "fear" is actually one of the spritiual poisons that prevent us from practicing spiritual disciplines.	”

good thinkin... i hear ya. NO FEAR!!!

Koolaid is not healthy; it's full of sugar. In the same way, mockery is not healthy, since it allows the mocker to maintain his ignorance behind a self-built wall of superiority. Even a fat couch-potato at a ball game can jeer and mock the best of players but does that make him superior than they simply bacause of his cat-calls and boos?

How can you feel superior to one who seeks the Truth? Isn't this the goal of all martial arts? To seek the Truth and to test what we know against Truth so as to grind away our ignorance and conceit and become Men of Knowledge and True Men?

I find Fa Lun Gong to be a fantastic method, but I do not follow the Fa LUn Gong philosophy of non-violence. They believe that if they are beat up by hooligans and Commies that it is their own karma and so they accept the beatings. I believe that if hooligans or Commies want to beat me, then it is their own karma to receive the severe thrashing that I would met out to them for their foolishness.

I prefer the Tai Chi Kung-Fu: "Be gentle but if they f*ck with you, beat the hell out of them." So, please, go mock somebody else.

“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare How's that Koolaide taste, champ? Still waiting for the mothership to swing by for ya?	”