Dim'Mak (Cycle of Destruction + Diurnal Cycle )

I thought perhaps we could discuss this interesting subject in a clean thread. Apologies for disruption of previous.

Here's what i think i know about Dim'Mak. (DM)

DM means Death Touch but is really a perversion of Chinese healing techniques. The Chinese believe all the bodies functions are powered and regulated by "Qi" a word that denotes the life force that energises the body. Qi passes throughout the body, much like the blood, by way of certain channels or meridians and these meridians are afilliated with certain organs or bodily processes. All along the meridians are points or junctions (like those on train tracks) at which the Qi is focused or changes direction. Chinese medicine involves needling, heating, cupping or putting pressure on these points to retard or promote the flow of Qi through certain meridians for healing purposes. As the meridians cover the whole body nearly any ailment can be treated. The art of manipulating the points is called Acupressure/Acupuncture and is normally used in conjunction with medicinal herbs.

Dim'mak is the dark side of this technique, it involves striking the points along the meridians to produce adverse affects on the targets physiology. The targets points are struck in systematic order along the meridians to produce a chain of damage culminating at the end of the meridian in either KO or death.

Now it gets complicated !! I dont think i'm qualified to continue. Some else care to explain the Cycle of Destruction.

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SHJ

I'm not sure what your question is, do you want an explanation of the actual physiological effects of the dim mak
Because there is not just one, but many.
There is a dim mak for every organ in the body, and many for different purposes, as many as there are to heal, they each have a corresponding Dim mak which has the equal and opposite effect.
Like Nik said there are myriad contributers to this style each with different effects. the effects which the Chens originated are different than those jiang fa used.
If you know how acupunture really works, think of a complete reversal of this energy. acupunture/pressure frees up the chanels for the chi, dim mak plugs them up.

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I'm a Loner Dotty, a Rebel

a question, just seeing how much info people had on the subject generally. Ok i got a question actually. Someone give me a typical sequence of strikes to the.........stomach meridian. In Yang Taij maybe

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SHJ

well, first you must learn to heal all the ailments on the stomach meridian, and understand how it works.
If you want it in Yang taij, maybe you should first heal someone who has been struck on these points so you can see what it can do to people before you decide you want to learn it.

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I'm a Loner Dotty, a Rebel

Please continue to refrain from fiction. I would also like to ask you to stay focussed on general ideas and experiences, without actually giving advices on where to strike how and if this is bad for health. I will not tolerate to give concrete advices on which points to hit in what order, to let kids try it at home. Thanks for your insight.

Especially, Yang Taiji is not denoted for a special addiction of using pressure points, any more than any other external or internal striking consideration. Please do not anymore create the impression it is like that, as this violates all common ideas of any true dedicated practitioner on what Taiji is, let alone the masters of this very valuable and higly reputed family, and style in general.

All in all the summary was okay, until the point that pressure point manipulations just lead to "KO" or death. It can lead to a lot of temporary malfunction of power, health or nurturing related systems, and if the malfuntion hinders the body from cleaning it, it can lead to permanent problems maybe occuring much later (not only "delayed death", but more likely asthma, breathing problems, problems with congestion, blood control, etc.).

Targets for martial practice are obviously systems which if failing cause immediate loss of ability of fighting. Mostly they are not nearly complicated but simply points where you can strike without being extremely precise and affect over pressure a large area of the systems. Many "secret" points are simply hitting the radialis or other nerves disabling muscle control, or damaging sinews, while others for example overload the regulation of the internal organs from hormons through pressure on pathways which have to be free to transport that hormons.

I am not aware that I gave advice on how to specifically strike these areas,
In fact I'm pretty sure I told him to do the opposite.
I.E. Learn to heal them.
I'm not sure why you are making things up.

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I'm a Loner Dotty, a Rebel

"Please continue to refrain from fiction."

Please read again - "continue". Although I try, I cannot foresee the future. So, my advice was simply to avoid slipping into this direction, since SHJ explicitly asked for it. Everyone.

Why do some persons percieve everyone apart from them is an immature irresponsible child. Why can't we discuss Dim'Mak If i posted, in the weapons forum, a specific way to combo someone with a sabre. Would that be illegal I know enough of the points to go and hit someone but im interested in discussing the proper intended sequences and martial practises involved. This site is for the sharing of knowledge isn't it.

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SHJ

This is EXACTLY what we ALL are not going to do here.

We are NOT going to mention a certain sequence ala "first hit the kidneys, then turn him around, strike here, and there, and then he's dead". Usually noone has the knowledge. However, I know exactly a case, where a guy who just wanted to spar a little with a not so much known guy who came by in the free lesson, and was badly hit at two points giving him asthma for some two years, making him need heavily medication.

I would agree to hear the solutions, if you have them, just we will NOT even slightly discuss how it happened, and in what way you if of bad enough intent might achieve something like I mentioned. Anyone might read this and "just try if it works". Doing this to someone of another city on their free sparring session.

We can discuss how to avoid falling easily to this sort of interfering. We are not going to mention what has to be done where, how, and especially no kind of sequence for "better" effects.

I still STRONGLY suggest if you are interested in this kind of fighting, you NEED to learn chinese health techniques. Only after you learn acupuncture/pressure from a healing point of view will you develop the state of mind, knowledge and discipline to use this type of style. DIM MAK in the past was only practiced by chinese DOCTORS who knew what they were doing and how the body works. DIM MAK is more than striking a series of points, it is a philosophy based on chinese medicine. It would be like if you tried to GIVE YOURSELF SURGERY. A certain amount of knowledge is required before you try to do this.

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I'm a Loner Dotty, a Rebel

You guys try really everything to promote your stuff, don't you When I say we are not going to mention something like sequences and points, we are not going to do that. Complaints directly to Chris Hall, webmaster. Thank you, for not cooperating.

Are you just stupid Nik

My post is gone and there was nothing specific enough to do anything (no specific points or directions mentioned)...besides what I did say is already on the net for those willing to look and easily found even at Barnes and Nobles.

Why is this thread even here if you can't even say the most general of things...especially stuff that is so easy to find out elsewhere

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~ Eric Putkonen
(teaching T'ai Chi Ch'uan in Plymouth, MN)

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~ Eric Putkonen
(teaching T'ai Chi Ch'uan in Plymouth, MN)

Perhaps because you, or anyone else, could shed some more valuable information than how to damage someone internally Perhaps how to massage away the effect, or something

Yes, you're right, if you want to take the responsibility, take it to your board. Thank you.

And I can say the following: If someone is doing to me what has been done to someone from the CyberKwoon forum (sequential hitting to some points) in a "sparring", I take him to the intensive care unit.

"Perhaps because you, or anyone else, could shed some more valuable information than how to damage someone internally Perhaps how to massage away the effect, or something "


Damage someone internally
That would require much more information than I gave. You will need more knowledge than the cycle of destruction or diurnal cycle for that. Other than pain and the occassional dazed person, nothing was close to internal damange when I studied this in Karate. You need more info.

To do the healing properly requires more knowledge, and you only have to reverse it to cause damage...so won't we be giving out such potentially harmful information in telling people how to "massage away the effect".

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~ Eric Putkonen
(teaching T'ai Chi Ch'uan in Plymouth, MN)