Dan Tien, Chakras?

or no one has the interest to really go into a detailed explanation...perhaps on one of threads someone might feel up to it.

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oh c`mon aqira why not yoo do the honors n explain this...

on second thought... u hav a habit of confusing things for all of DL members... but seriously u need to write up on this here..
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That's correct..."it isn't something you can really know without dicovering for yourself."

Before I discovered my chi, dan tien and chakras, it was all just a vagueness and myth with nothing definite except stories from books and scriptures. But as Jesus said, "Seek and you shall find."

These things are worth seeking. And when you find them, your life and the entire world instantly becomes a better place.

“	Originally Posted By: Dancing Vixen Thanks banjar and tkdwarrior! ^_^ Perhaps the information was "diluted"... or that's as far as they got. Maybe it's different per person? Per belief? I suppose it isn't something you can really know without discovering for yourself. And maybe it isn't as cut-and-dry as, say, math with its clear (ha) rules about how things work...	”

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Or if we leave the topic of energetics, the dantian is just the center of the body. All this talk won't help your taiji. Think more about the yao/kua area. Then focus on these four stages/steps:

Choreography. Structure, Continuity, Intention.

I believe the answer probably has something to do with the meridians, and large groups of them or something, although I dont know much about chakras.

i agree with gaoshi, talk will not bring you to it, though it can point the way... you have to get up and work hard for it, thats why they call it kung fu!

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“	Originally Posted By: Dancing Vixen I was wondering how they were similar/different. The only thing I know is "chakras" came from India =\ Are they used ever in Tai Chi? Would anyone consider them valid or invalid for energy usage? Why the difference in ideas of body makeup in different countries, when both use energy?	”

Not at all the same. Completely different ways of looking at energy. Researching Tantric practices is not a google search. Stuff is dangerous & danger comes mostly from misunderstanding I think. Read post where person claimed no scientific evidence for Chi or Tantric concepts. Wrong. Bridge between east & west not complete. But it is there. Not going to do much on this thing. If you want learn more for yourself ok. PM. I will attach some things to response. Much too muddy on this forum on this thread I think. Tantra I know is Tibetan. Not filtered by way of Chinese culture. To say no Chakras is like saying no endocrine system. J

I belive Banjar perfectly summed it up for us, my friends. No one system is complete in its knowledge of human health, and within each system not everything is 100% correct. The Chinese Taoist system understands one part of the reality of human health: meridians and acupuncture points like the Dan Tien, aka CV-6, aka qihai. The Tibetan Tantric system understands another part of the reality of human health: chakras. Conventional Western Medicine understands, primarily by means of technological advancements, another part of the reality of human health: the physical aspect, aka the body disconnected from the mind, spirit, and energy. The Indian Vedas understand human health by means of the three doshas.

All examples are completely for real, and do overlap to some extent, with examples of that already given between the Chinese and Tibetan systems. Another example is that Ayurvedic and Chinese Medicine rely heavily on a very extensive system of pulse diagnosis. Each system understands enough of human health to be useful and has a valid method for advancing ourselves by improving our health. They're all, each one of them, and all the other systems we haven't mentioned that were prominent in every one of mankind's various small and large cultures and civilizations, completely for real. As the very wise Banjar said, in so many words, human health is so complex that no one system can contain all the knowledge, and luckily for us, it doesn't need to.

A good parallel to this is different martial arts systems. Any complete martial arts system will include the same types of components: solo practice, sparring, weapons, force training (qigong), and meditation. Although different systems will have different techniques, they will generally fit these categories. Any complete martial arts system will advance you toward the same goal, and any complete health system will also advance a patient to the same goal of better health. Each system has different methods, but overall has the same components and objectives. Once you've found a complete system of health and/or martial arts, it's natural to wonder how yours compares to another's. How do I translate the Dan Tien to the 3rd chakra? There's no translation. It's a different system. Curiosity is natural, but don't spend too much time on it.

Dear Banjar,
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Much appreciated. After I opened my MingMen, my life did change. Never knew it was closed 'til it opened

Michael

good post michael... makes lot of sense

[/quote]Bridge between east & west not complete. But it is there[quote].
I agree with lam tam too.. my belief is that eastern cultures were more advanced than western.. then most of eastern cultures got into wars/civil wars n stuff like that n the connection got lost.

like if I take example from Vedic Mathematics.. It's said that it's original form was in form of Praise of Lord Krishna(incarnation). the praises were divived in 16 volumes... and each n every single volume is maths/science related... and around 100 or so yrs ago.. 15 of these volumes were burnt during Struggle again british rule. and we now have only 1 volume which contains many advance topics on Maths(quite High Level Trigonometery, co-ordinate geometry, Alebra) and only 1 volume was decoded...

I have read the volume on maths during my colllege yrs and I can verfiy the effectivenes of Vedic maths.

and people who thinks it's all bullsh!t.. well they can think watever they want..
but I remember stormmountain once provided a link which had more information about the Era when Lord krishna incarnated on earth(specially the War episode of it.. it's known as "Maha Bratha". it was a great war included the whole human race).
-TkdWarrior-

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In fact...Kundalini Shakti and Chi/Qi are but different names for the same Intrinsic Energy....and each of the Yoga Chakras are also the locations of Oriental Medicine Meridian Line Storage Depots or Acupuncture Energy Points. Thus...both Indian Yoga Pranayama Methods and Chinese Chi-Kung/Qi-Gong Methods deal with the same Internal Energy even though their respective practices may seem a bit different outwardly at a glance.

I have practiced both Systems for the past 45 years...receiving Formal Initiation in Schools from each Tradition...and can honestly say from direct personal experience that they are complimentary variations on a common theme....with more internal similarities than differences once the external language and cultural factors have been sorted out!

“	Originally Posted By: Sifu Stier In fact...Kundalini Shakti and Chi/Qi are but different names for the same Intrinsic Energy....and each of the Yoga Chakras are also the locations of Oriental Medicine Meridian Line Storage Depots or Acupuncture Energy Points. Thus...both Indian Yoga Pranayama Methods and Chinese Chi-Kung/Qi-Gong Methods deal with the same Internal Energy even though their respective practices may seem a bit different outwardly at a glance. I have practiced both Systems for the past 45 years...receiving Formal Initiation in Schools from each Tradition...and can honestly say from direct personal experience that they are complimentary variations on a common theme....with more internal similarities than differences once the external language and cultural factors have been sorted out!	”

Nice Post. Once again the answer lies in the Meridians. I LOVE IT!

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Even in the paranormal fields the locations and descriptions are similar...but thats a tricky word similar

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Dear Sifu Stier,

Thanks for your post. Your experience has once again put things in perspective for me in a helpful way. It is illuminating to realize that Chakras correspond so closely to acupuncture points.

Gratefully,
Michael

IME it's not a split between 'chinese' and 'indian' or even 'taoist' and 'budhist' but the fact each 'family' of yoga or MA passes on a slightly different tradition.

Yoga has chakras and nadis (meridians). Some families emphasise the dan tien. Others emphasise the susumna nadi and place it on the center line and then build something very similar to center line theory, including dan tien. Others have something very similar to 'small circulation'. Others use chinese names for chakras... Some CMA masters talk in terms of chakras and opening them. IMO there are a couple of fundemental differences. The Indian systems place way more emphasis on energy locks and using them to reverbarate energy. The Chinese ones place way more emphasis on the whole of the abdomen.

Why are they different? Why is science different again? Why did we settle for Euclidean geometry when there are viable alternatives? Why did we settle on a base 10 numbering system? They are just models to explain experience. The model is secondary.

BTW be very careful about chakra opening, espescially being opened. Done right it is just amazing but there have been cases of people not being able to cope. As for abilities...there is a common theory that using the abilities given by an open chakra before all are open means getting stuck at that level. This is not stuff to play with.

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Good post john...

“	BTW be very careful about chakra opening, espescially being opened. Done right it is just amazing but there have been cases of people not being able to cope.	”

well according to the texts.. you have 7 main chakras.. opening up couple of them at least is not as hard as it may sound.. n I Dont feel like that these 2 first will bring anything which you cannot cope... and rest 5 of them.. well if you can't open first 2.. forget about rest of them..
the first 2 stress on physical aspect of your body... and they are quite easy to open...

anyone with decent meditation background can do it. and the rewards are amazing.. gotta agree with that..

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