Dan Tien, Chakras?

This is an area where self awareness and self truth are important.
Intent carries deep and has more power than many people realize. There is an inner intent that is more powerful than just everyday thoughts and desires. To go into this area should be done in tandem with understanding the self. The way the self functions is an important and critical issue.
regardless of concept Indian or Chinese or paranormal to open channels is done in a form of detachment.
Even for non-purposeful detachment this is an issue as few people can really detach or really understand what that means.
When you open channels you set aside external and become internal. There is no one there but you and if you are image directed you can find very quickly the image can prevent you from going further or can become a problem that will confront you very directly.
To open all channels..well not many people can actually do that just as in kundalini not to many people release but for those that do if the awareness factor is not real then it can get real serious real fast.

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Srry guys, but i am disappointed. Of all of you long timers, i would have thought one of you would know the truth. In chinese theory there are 3 dantians, and the seven chakras just relate to different regions in the three dan tians. the chakras and dan tians are different words and methods for describing the energy centers in humans. In old celtic druidism they are called the 3 cauldrons and are not as specific as the vedic or taosit systems but describe what is inherent in the human body. For instance the root chakra and sacral chakra are just the upper and lower regions of the lower dan tian, and so on for the others. For the skeptics, research kirilian photography and you will find a russian scientist who developed a camera that takes pictures of your energy body. So for all who didn't know, chakras and dan tians are different words that describe the energy in the body, whether you believe or not. Here is what a qigong master told me (not exact words) "the lower tan tian takes care of the physical (root, sacral, power = material, earth, sex, power), the middle dan tian the emotional (power chakra, heart chakra, throat chakra) and the upper dan tian the spiritual (throat, third eye, crown chakra)"

“	the seven chakras just relate to different regions in the three dan tians.	”

In your system! Not in all of them And some CMA guys go for more than three 'dan tiens'... and then there's the fact you needle more than one point in the area commonly called 'dan tien' and some CMA teachers tie in to that and seperate them more than others... and the fact some CMA and some Indian count more than seven chakra.... The point is, all our bodies are similar, our experiences are similar, the system we develop to describe our experience will be similar. BUT because this is internal our experiences can also be shaped by the system we learn if we are not extremely aware or we can be overwhelmed (with unpleasant results) if our experiences go beyond the system and we are not ready.

As for the Russian scientist and his photos I remember reading a very lucid explanation of this and how it had nothing to do with auras - everything can be seen in different ways.

Celtic druidism? I'd be interested in a real source of information on that; most everything written on it has been fiction.

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“	Originally Posted By: john100 In your system! Not in all of them And some CMA guys go for more than three 'dan tiens'... and then there's the fact you needle more than one point in the area commonly called 'dan tien' and some CMA teachers tie in to that and seperate them more than others... and the fact some CMA and some Indian count more than seven chakra.... The point is, all our bodies are similar, our experiences are similar, the system we develop to describe our experience will be similar. BUT because this is internal our experiences can also be shaped by the system we learn if we are not extremely aware or we can be overwhelmed (with unpleasant results) if our experiences go beyond the system and we are not ready. As for the Russian scientist and his photos I remember reading a very lucid explanation of this and how it had nothing to do with auras - everything can be seen in different ways. Celtic druidism? I'd be interested in a real source of information on that; most everything written on it has been fiction.	”

I'm just relaying what i was told by Master Arnold Tayam, who studied under master Hua-ching Ni. Look him up on the net if you like. He is the lineage holder of a very old unbroken taoist tradition (74 generations). I am not a master or very knowledgeable about chi kung.

according to the kirilian photography you should read elsewhere as it has everything to do with auras, i got my auras photo'd a few times, t'was pretty cool.

Celtic druidism is misunderstood by many. The celts were experiencers. They knew things through experience and didn't need the written word on the fragile page to transmit their wisdom. The celts, and especially the druids, transmitted and shared their knowledge through oral teachings. A druid apprentice did not write down his lessons, he was required to memorize them. This is why much of what is written seems unorganized. What you may think as fiction is actually wisdom through poetry and metaphor, much like the bible. Check out "the mist filled path" by Frank MacEown for some accurate read that isn't full of spells, magick herbs, and whatever else may seem to turn the scientific's away from a truly beautiful way of life.

Yes indeed! I am also a Celtic lore enthusiast! Also check out anytrhing by Joohn oe Caitlin Matthews. What yhuangbi said about the poetry and metaphor thing is so right. Also they had a nemerical system used in conjunction with Ogams to be used as memory aids and other stuff. Also, do be awarw there are both true kirkian photography and false. Yup! The original Rusian guy used a special camera to take those pics, and others have duplicated it. However, there are some people today, mostly at New Age Health Fairs, who fake them. Anyway, it is my humble opinion that all these these 'systems' are just different ways to 'phrase' the same thing. Yeah, not all of the dan tiens or chakras may be mentioned, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I think we all have all these energy centers, and channels and such, but not everyone is aware of them all. Also, yes, it is also a matter of how you are looking at it. It is all energy. We are all energy. The earth and everything in/on it is energy. It's just a matter of how you interpret it, like me! I'm interpreting it this way! I think you are all correct. BTW, I myself have done 'energy healing', and have also balanced people's chakras for them. I have used general intention, visualization, chi channels, and chakras. That's the best way for me to explain it I think. I started doing these things when all I had ever heard of was chakras, only. And had a very limited understanding. I have my own way of doing these things, tho there are others, such as that Reiki thing that have made up 'systems' for it. This is like the left brain or logic self trying to relate to right brain, or illogical self stuff. Me, well, I lean in the direction of right brain stuff.

If I could gesture an answer; in relation to the original posting as to 'why' they are different, rather than 'how', I would suggest that the key to this connection - at least in a pan-Asia model, leaving out the Celts for the purposes of them being out of context; I think it is sufficient to say that many cultures have had similar ideas, which forces notice - but the connection between the dan tien and the chakras lies, as far as I can see in Bodhidharma and his contemporaries. Bodhidharma, or Damo, or Dharuma, Ta Mo - as he is known in many different countries and languages, was an Indian Monk (although some believe he was Persian) who traveled to China and there met some monks at a temple.
I'm sure you've heard this before, but I rather enjoy typing it all out.
The temple was commissioned by the Chinese emperor for the monks to transcribe Buddhist doctrine in the Emperor's stead. There was a belief predominant among the Chinese at the time that the more times you could copy Buddha’s teachings, the more you were - in a very western roman catholic sense - paying off your 'sins' ahead of time, and 'buying' a way to heaven.
Well 'ol Bodi, arriving around the 480’s, found the monks in such a bad physical condition after copying and recopying scriptures, that he decided to give them a little P. E. lesson. Mind you Ta Mo just spent the last nine year sin a cave staring at a wall so I guess he needed a stretch, too.
Anyway, this is how the '18 Hands of the Lohan' also known as the 'Classic Sinues of Metamorphosis' entered China, officially. What a little research can tell, Kung fu was not entirely founded from this incident (White Crane's origins in Tibet and its importance in the middle-years development of the system is enough to off that myth entirely) regardless, from this encounter we know that Bodidharma, or other monks like him making similar travels, with classical Indian education - which would include chakras, directly aided in the development of Chinese Qi Gong (or Chi Kung; however you like it) - from the Classics of Sinue Metamorphosis. These techniques would be the proverbial backbone of the so-called 'hard' Kung fu system as well - although it must be noted there was already a highly developed combat system in China at this time.
In the history of Tai Chi, and other so-called 'soft' arts concerned or not concerned with the Wudong mountain range; its origins are in breath exercises practiced at the Henan Shaolin temple.
This is 'why' they are similar, from a historical perspective. If I've gotten anything wrong it’s purely through accident, slip of the fingers or pure ignorance, so please correct me. I’m sorry I can’t truly recall how to spell ‘sinue’; in fact my spelling is horrid all ‘round, but there you have it: one more perspective.

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