another chi question

I know you guys already got done talking about seeing chi and hearing chi. I was wondering if anyone else has felt something before. Sometimes when I do small circulation sitting meditation, I get this feeling in the vessels like roaring water. Like when you see a river that goes over rocks and stuff and its all loud. That's what it feels like. Has anyone else felt this

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If I concentrate my chi into one spot I feel a tingling feeling in that spot.

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That is what I usually feel, a tingling like sensation. I read that that can be a sign that the chi is flowing smoothly. If you feel warmth it can be that there is resistance, like in a copper wire. If you run a current through the wire it will heat up because of resistance from the metal. But I haven't read or heard anything about rapid water feeling before. It doesn't happen all the time. I was wondering if it was a good or bad sign.

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Yeah, usually immediately after I mainline

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You obviously do not have any skill in manipulating your chi. Or you do not believe in it. I will not try and convince you of it's existance, I am not that naive.

The wise student hears of the Tao and practices it diligently.
The average student hears of the Tao and gives it thought now and again.
The foolish student hears of the Tao and laughs aloud.
If there were no laughter, the Tao would not be what it is.

Lao Tsu

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The tingling sensation, if it is more like from pressing something through a small hole, is in later stages showing also up when exerting force. It does in my better moments appear in a fine, nearly unnoticeable amount in all movements. I would say, it feels just as a strong frame supporting the posture and making it bounce off unwanted inference to joint positions. When exerting strong forces, it feels as if that unremarkable amount gets a huge amount in a split moment, making fingers tingle very much, and sometimes tingling through the body starting where the body roots itself (dantien, or ground connection). It is a good sign if this happens from alone, but it is a good sign for having to get more inconscious if it does not come if not done intentionally.



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So Nik, what you are saying is that it is good for that to happen unconsciously That it is good when you get to the point where you don't have to concentrate on making it happen, it just happens by itself when you need it to I just want you to clarify that part of your post. Thanks for the lesson. I'll start working for that now.

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It could be what I meant, also it could not.
What I mean is, how can anyone know how jing support to a movement will appear at the cell level consciousness coming to awareness through a somewhat sort of streaming feeling, if you never experienced it If you enhance the capabilities of muscles or metabolism to produce bigger amounts of muscle contraction from doing proper stuff for conditioning it, the moving steering part of the mind/brain will from alone begin to integrate it into the moving "software". It is from the nature of this learning, that it will take time before all necessary integrations are done to a degree so this will not f_ck up the coordinating part of the movement mind and its "fuzzy" logic. If this is done to a necessary level, suddenly the new features will occur in the moving habits.
It helps if occuring initiatives of the learning mind are liked. Sometimes, approaches to new abilities or enhanced versions of them appear somewhat rough and not very effective. It will take time, but if people dislike differences between what they assume or expect, and what the body is really capable of, it never can come over the rough phase to a perfectly working. Most of these people although struggle with everything in their feelings, without thinking this is more the problem of their life than that feelings occur they do not expect or understand.

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To Nik,

When you say "a strong frame supporting the posture and making it bounce off unwanted inference to joint positions",
what do you mean I seem to get the idea from that posting that
the undesirable Chi is expelled through the fingertips causing the
tingling sensation. Also, what is meant by "unremarkable amount gets a huge amount in a split moment" Could it be the opening up of some of the 6 meridans down the arm to the fingertips

Why do you say that the Dantien is the ground connection Is it your own interpretation, from a book or is it a result of lingustic translation Do you practice Chi Gong yourself If so what form of it

Thanks for bearing with all the questions!

It feels like as if you wear a support jacket that holds additionally together. If someone pulls you, it feels like you are not pulled there, just a pressure appears and the guy gets drawn around.

While doing slow moves, it feels like a light wire in the bones, like a water filled cord easily to bend, but making friction. Under heavy load, it gets like filled under high pressure, making a very hard tingling, and a heavy move. People feel like nothing if you push them when it is available. The "pressure" is not remarkable in "off-peak" moments, it raises within moments.

With Dantien OR ground I meant, you can bind the power either to your mass (the point of "delivery from" is your mass center), or to something connecting to some other mass. Usually this is the ground, it however could be another point of connection. As you are always expanding or closing, you can only do it with something supporting to expand or close of. Meaning, if you have a bar to hold with one hand, you can "fajing" inward to pull something with the other hand, connecting hands, not foot and hand. If you have no reason or chance to push off the ground, for example in the air, you expand of some point inside the body, supporting through mass inertness. There usually comes a sophisticated feeling of body positioning and various methods of using mass or friction to a varying amount through only doing forms, push-hands exercises and working with that feelings. Academical formalisations are usually of more hindering than speeding influence. Use the joy of moving, not joy talking.

I have learned to realize chi is moving through my body by small heavenly circle exercises. Since understanding chi, chi circulation and how it feels and acts I am now aware of it all the time. Im sure you all have heard of the dantien being called the bubbleing well, that explained to me best how chi feels as it circulates to th various parts of my body.

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The feeling you experience depends on several things:

1) your level of chi cultivation
2) the exercise you are performing
3) the focus or lack thereof of chi
4) the depth of your meditation

It is really dependent on each situation but general feelings are tingling, energy felt as light pushing, heat ( not always a bad thing ) and of course the rushing water feeling.

Fu Tao

perhaps you can eplain how you buld your chi that might help





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