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Old May 23rd, 2005, 08:27 AM
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Am I heading down the right path?

While I am learning a good amount of what I would consider 'hard' qiogong at my school(standing, muscle building qigong involving tensing muscles, and excersises along with breath control), I am persuing more information on qigong myself as well as still meditation.

Most of the info I have gotten so far is from two books I have been going through slowly. One by Mantak Chia and one by Dr. Yang, Jwing-ming. From those books, I have been guiding myself through still meditation, and find a few things:

1- I can now lead my qi to my palms and the bottom of my feet practically at will, but have trouble getting it onto my back.

2 - At the beggining of still meditation, I concentrate on my 3rd eye(upper dan tien?), then move outward from there, and after 5-10 minutes, I can feel a tingling of much of my body

3 - Dr. Yangs book instructs that after relaxing your mind and breath, you should be able to bring your mind down into your body and sense the organs. I have tried this, and It feels like my stomach and abdomen get very heavy(if that makes any sense), and my heart beat feels more powerfull. Each beat feels stronger when im concentrating my sensitivity into my body, rather than limbs or skin.

What I'm wondering if anyone out there has experienced any of this, and if anyone can give suggestions or tell me if I'm at least on the right path. Am I doing things right? or does any of this sound dangerous?(like leading too much qi to my heart, which I hear can overwork it)
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 08:01 PM
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I'd give more weight to Yang's book. Chia isn't really a martial artist, he is more of a New Age guru type.
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that what seemed to me.
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I agree, Mantak Chia wrote those books after only two years at the white cloud monastery. Most of his stuff is in fact a combination of kundalini yoga and some Aikido with some T'ai Chi probably stolen from other books to Jazz it up.

The Yang Jwing Ming stuff is better, at least he's actually done T'ai Chi and Chi gung, however I personally would not use the methods you have mentioned, in my opinion they are incorrect. The objectives of increasing sensitivity are correct but the method you are using will not produce good results.

Find a teacher who has actually done this stuff and can show you it in person, if you work solely from books you are sure to become confused and you will also mis-interpret some exercises based on your hard style training experience.
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ok, thanks.

I had been planning on moving to Tai Chi after I was confident that I had become proficient in my current styles. At least a few years from now. I don't want to go to another school/teacher and confuse myself before I have a really good grasp of what my current southern style training is.
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patent my friend ,try this put your to hands front of you face to face 10 to 15 minutes, and then meditation for 30 to 45 minutes do it for couples monthes, and you will see.... its just a simple way, it took me arround 8 monthes to enlight... after that its a world. I just try to help..:-)
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What is it you are looking for from your training?
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Im looking to supliment my external styles with some internal work. Beyond the hard Qigong I have been taught already.
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So in a way your looking to pump up.... the type of use is important so that you spend your efforts in the right methods. There are soft methods to do a lot of what your doing now with the hard methods. These work more on the focus of connection of mind (single thought) breath and motion (the parts of the body IE arms hands hips and so on).
bringing the chi up the backbone --with palms up ---and down through the organs ---with palms down---... out the hands and arouinbd back in...into ground through the legs/feet drawing up again or in other words circles and cycles. Not that much different than some of the yoga methods but without the aid of posturing or extreme stretches.
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HungFamilyFist,

You might get Wing Lam's video on the Hung Gar Iron Thread Qi Gong from his web site. This is a very famous form and he is a great teacher, well worth the cost of the video. His website has a lot of good info here:
http://www.wle.com/

Or you might go to the website listed below and download the Five Dragon's Complete Acupuncture Course which also contains a very excellent and very complete Qi Gong course where-by you can learn the Microcosmic and Macrocosmic Orbit of Qi Circulation as well as internal circulation methods. This Course is a free download although it costs a lot if you buy it retail.

Either way, you will find what you seek.
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