Mental Disorders

Does anyone know if certain mental disorders can result from Nei Gong or Qi Gong?

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If someone may have a slight case of a mental disorder could internal training cause this disorder to become more present?

Or am I just going crazy?

“	Originally Posted By: Mr. Dragon Does anyone know if certain mental disorders can result from Nei Gong or Qi Gong? also If someone may have a slight case of a mental disorder could internal training cause this disorder to become more present? Or am I just going crazy?	”

Since you can ask this question, you are not going crazy -- merely looking for a solid place to put your feet in a universe of delusion. There IS a solid place to stand even though it has no substance.

The biggest problem that I have observed with Qi Gong practice is that most people do not have the educational or religious background to be able to put what they discover into perspective. This is why so many Qi Gong affectionados warn about learning Qi Gong without a qualified master to teach the art... he is there to talk you down when you get too "high". After all, when you look inside yourself you discover a whole universe that is just as huge as the one that you find by looking outside. So, it can get a bit confusing without a good grounding in "Reality" -- which (horror upon horrors!) is also a delusion!

Although I first learned meditation and qi gong from a Buddhist monk when I was living in Laos, I have discovered that anyone can learn and practice these arts with good results and few problems if they also do some reading research into the the various religious scriptures such as the Buddhist, Taoist and Hindu. Why re-invent the Dharma Wheel when you can read about it in a good Sutra or scriptural discription?
:-)

Yes, Qi Gong can increase mental problems that are already present. But again, the Buddhist and Hindu scriptures are a good anchor to return to when flying through the clouds, ESP, out-of-body experiences, levitation, hearing "voices", super-human powers, and the assorted other variety of events make you sigh for the simple days of TV and Big Macs.

Reading the words of the ancient warriors and brahmins are soothing to the soul and calming to even the most Qi-crazed Mind ... that is, they are soothing if you aren't already crazy! :-)

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“	Originally Posted By: Mr. Dragon Does anyone know if certain mental disorders can result from Nei Gong or Qi Gong? also If someone may have a slight case of a mental disorder could internal training cause this disorder to become more present? Or am I just going crazy?	”

Yes, Yes, Probably not, I hope.
Yes Qi Gong can have an effect upon a preexisting mental condition and cause it to aggravate, if that is going on, see a Dr. right away, it may be something that can be fixed with their help, and fixed permanently.

I used to train with a guy, he moved to another state and started training with a Qi Gong master, his Qi Gong aggravated a psychosis, he started having delusions, the whole bit. He was hospitalized, he received treatment, he got better, he changed how he did his training, he is fine now, but still sees a Dr.

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

Yes, if practiced incorrectly. Yes, if practiced incorrectly.

Probably not. Check it out with your teacher. Some teachers don't like to talk about the odder effects of training because students will then focus on achieving strange effects rather than doing the training and seeing what happens.

The doctor is a good suggestion but make sure you go with your eyes wide open. Read up on your symptoms first, and if therapy is recommended as an accompanyment to any medication you are prescribed make sure you get it. I can't speak for the US but in the UK there's a real tendancy to just hand over mind altering pharmacuticals and kick the patient out the door.

Are you too embarassed to say what kind of mild problem? There are some really knowlegable people on this board - like Allan.

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A doctor is of no help in Qi Gong problems unless he is also a Qi Gong student. Western medicine is mainly a money-making scam. Especially psychiatry and psychology are at odds with anything that interfers with their monopoly of making money from people who have mental confusions.

If you practice qi gong, then only a guru or qi gong expert can help in your questions. All a Western doctor can do is drug you into oblivion or convince you that their so-called "therapy" is of benefit ... as long as you have insurence and a big bank account. Western psychology is mainly based on fraud and false theories.

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Hey thanks everybody. I didn't really ask this question because I have some mental disorder, but the idea occured to me one day while I was standing. It had been a really really long day and when I started standing I wasn't very interested in staying focused. After a while I kinda felt like I was dreaming and standing at the same time. Well it was wierd; that's all.

“	Originally Posted By: Mr. Dragon Hey thanks everybody. I didn't really ask this question because I have some mental disorder, but the idea occured to me one day while I was standing. It had been a really really long day and when I started standing I wasn't very interested in staying focused. After a while I kinda felt like I was dreaming and standing at the same time. Well it was wierd; that's all.	”

Chuang Tsu dreamed that he was a butterfly;
when he awoke, he wondered if he was a man dreaming that he was a butterfly,
or a butterfly dreaming that he was a man.

Ah, Life! Ah, Dreams! So amazing! So wonderful!

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“	Well it was wierd; that's all.	”

Whenever any one said anything about how chi kung 'felt' to my first tai teacher he would always answer 'because you are not relaxed enough'. It can be a lot wierder but these are side effects not the purpose of the training and vary person to person.

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Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you
High mountains are a feeling
I don't need to sell my soul, he's already in me

Shifts of consciousness are perfectly normal. These can include increased permiability between conscious and unconscious which should not be forced -- allowed as a matter of simple intent to be in totality.

There can be instances of extreme of emotion that can double you over. I remember that happening to me once. These can be indicators of something You need to look at, acknowledge. Stuff you haven't dealt with. Or, experience of emotion on a deeper level. This, is by its nature, more intense though normal.

Enhanced perception or ways of viewing life, even at higher levels of practice, might have a place in the listings of abnormal psych. symptoms. So, I would agree that the typical shrink might be clueless, and would treat your fear, which might be no more than a lack of grounding.

On the other hand, there are professionals out there who are interested in other mental phenomena, and I think that their ranks will increase. But, one needs to take into consideration their cultural frames of reference.

Indeed, I am half way thru a book right now which has really got me going. I don't have some of those beliefs or interest in some of the methods that "seem" to be involved, but this book is an experience in its own right. I wonder what the second half will bring, cause the first has shaken my world. (Master of Lucid Dreams, by Olga Kharitidi, M.D.) It's not a martial arts book, though there is an interesting section on balance in Chapter 6.
So, I wouldn't put all Psych. professionals in the same barrel, though I do strongly suggest caution.

To get back to the topic specifically. I would agree that if one is truly sick, it will become more apparent. In fact, my experience with martial arts masters is that their emotional natures are enhanced, which includes vices. These people are human. Advanced training can give more free rein, or mire one in whatever "mud" the individual is prone to.

I also think it is normal to feel ungrounded from to time. I think one can let go and be free, but that the sense of self intent needs to rule from the onset. That's my opinion and I don't claim to speak for anyone else. Even with that Intent in place, unconscious motivations need to be considered in their time. So, this is an ongoing study that, again, can not be rushed. There are some opportunities for madness, but also for clarity and sanity.

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Interesting that you should mention lucid dreams (sort of). I've noticed that I've had more lucid dreams than ever before. Not exactly lucid dreams all of the time; more like funny things that happen in the morning when I'm half awake. Perhaps it has been from standing. Indeed, some mornings I will wake up with an excellent feeling all over my body which reminds me of relaxation in standing. Maybe this one time when I was standing I was so tired that I had sort of a lucid dream, because the state of mind I'm in when having sleep paralysis seems familiar to this time.

Mr. Dragon,
I'm hopeful that once I finish the book, the full impact of the title will have hit home. lol.
For now, the subject matter is geared to trauma and how it affects the psyche, according to a Siberian Shamanistic tradition, which is Greek to me. Also brought up is responsibility for our own pain, for harmful patterns in our lives. It starts to become a "chicken or egg" argument, which I don't anticipate being able to determine in terms of origin. Improvements can always be made though. It's fascinating.

My interest in lucid dreaming is not extensive, and is pretty focussed. It might be that after finishing this book, I will gain another focus. Maybe not.

passingthru

wow, i never heard of mental disorders associated with qi gong but i knew about when going into advanced qi gong you eventually build up a form of cancer. and about western medicine being a money making scam, ey its cheaper buying western medicine than it is eastern.

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dragon, yes about the qigong, but i doubt you are crazy, but ursa, cancer? only if youre doing it wrong i guess, and western meds being cheaper, id say no way,

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If you wonder wether you are dreaming when you're awake, you ARE insane. Sanity is not in the "data" you collect when looking, it's in the feeling of the self. Sane people rooted in that feeling know what's right from it. Bad qigong either stops the brain from working properly by interfering with the chemicals necessary to work (i.e. flooding the blood with unnecessary hormones at will for the "funny" or "powerful" feeling of it), or from fumbling around with bodies or minds own perceiptions and knowledge making it go ill - from anger over your own foolishness (pretending you KNOW that what the body knows is WRONG because Ayatolla Masta Sifu said it is).

Bad "qigong" can produce both cancer, lot of irritational problems, and mental issues. There is even a word for those in china, because of the number of them - qigong crazies.

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“	Originally Posted By: bobblehead dragon, yes about the qigong, but i doubt you are crazy, but ursa, cancer? only if youre doing it wrong i guess, and western meds being cheaper, id say no way,	”

i guess when you look at diff countries wat i said may be wrong. here in australia aslong as u pay taxes and are a permant resident or citizen the government pays like 75%+ of your prescription (western) medicine so im wrong in one way

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