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July 28th, 2005, 02:00 PM
|  | Student | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Huntsville, AL Style(s): SPM, Kali/Arnis
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Rep Power: 62 | | | Exercises for Blockage and Circulation Im trying to expand my qigong knowledge from what little I have. My primary goal is to add qigong to help with my iron palm exercises, qi blockages, and the overall smooth flow of qi. I have a few questions for you qigong types:
- I know various qigong exercises/systems focus on different things. What types of qigong exercises/systems are focused on working with building smooth qi flow and relieving qi blockages?
- No qigong is available where I am at...What resources are out there to learn these exercises/systems (ie books, websites, etc)? What is the general opinion on the effectiveness of exercises such as "Lifting The Sky" in relation to my qigong goals?
- What is the general consensus on Lam Kam Chuen? He has a book for like $2 on Amazon regarding healing. Will this deal with qi blockages or qi flow? He also has a book on energy...Which would be better for my purposes?
- What about Kumar Frantiz? I hear alot of opposing things about him...
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July 28th, 2005, 04:29 PM
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Check out small heavenly circle,then advance to the large circulation.
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July 28th, 2005, 05:16 PM
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Posted By: fuzzy30
Check out small heavenly circle,then advance to the large circulation | ” | |
Thanks fuzzy. I cant seem to find any good references on the web...Have any ideas where I can look to find a couple helpful exercises?
Right now, the exercises I do invovle thinking of leading my chi into my hands, etc. Is small heavenly circle similar in that Im trying to direct chi, but istead of pushign it to my hands, Im doing it in a circle along the points in your back, palette, dan tien, etc? | 
July 28th, 2005, 10:19 PM
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July 29th, 2005, 12:15 AM
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Rep Power: 78 | | | Kumar is tops in chi gong ang neigong - but book and tapes of his are good reference materials. In person - each of those can and are eplained in much more details and many different ways. But not a bad start at all.
Lam Kam Chuen - don't know.
Kumar's stuff - start with opening the energy gates.
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July 29th, 2005, 02:22 AM
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Rep Power: 37 | | now u got alan's recommendation to it.. so it's easy choice now.. 
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July 29th, 2005, 06:12 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Michael Tse's wild goose qigong is a simple qigong to learn to begin with. books on amazon i'm sure. | 
July 29th, 2005, 06:17 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | i have got lam kam chuens book called "way of power", it is informative mainly about zhan zhuang ( standing still ). it is a good book but i think you can learn more if you find a good teacher, it is not easy to teach yourself proper posture & relaxed yet connected standing from a book.  | 
July 29th, 2005, 04:20 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Reading compared to experiencing Dear PlumDragon,
Considering the fact that you are practicing Iron Palm, and also that you have recently sustained an injury, it would be very good for you to practice a safe method of qigong for your overall health, and also to deal with small or large problems arising from your Iron Palm training.
I teach a style of qigong called Pan Gu Shengong. This style of qigong is excellent and completely safe. The Moving Form of PGSG can be learned by correspondence for $103, and it will include written instructions, pictures, video CD's, and an audio CD with step by step verbal instructions to follow along. Here is some information on Pan Gu Shengong: 1) Safety: Pan Gu Shengong is completely safe to practice. You cannot injure yourself or have a problem from accidentally doing it wrong. This has been proven by my own student's experience, and by the experience of many thousands of other people. There are well over 100,000 people who have learned and practiced Pan Gu Shengong in the world. This style of chi-kung was originated in South China around 1990, and most of the students are here in Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Indonesia, and Malaysia. There are probably about 5,000 students in the USA and Canada, with also some in Europe. 2) Ease of Practice: The Moving Form of Pan Gu Shengong is simple and easy to do physically. It requires only simple hand movements and can be done standing, sitting, or lying down. If you have pain from standing, you can do it sitting, or do it in portions if you can only stand for a few minutes. Because the qi will flow best when the spine is straight, standing is preferred, but sitting or lying is still very good.
There are no complicated physical postures to learn and then gradually improve over a long period of practice. The physical portion of PGSG was designed to be simple and easy and can be learned in an hour or less. The Moving Form of PGSG, which is the basis of practice, takes 15-20 minutes and only needs to be done once a day to achieve excellent results. If practiced daily, the results will be obvious within 2-4 weeks. 3) No Restrictions: There are no restrictions on how, when, or where you practice. The time of day is not important. You can practice inside or outside. You do not need to wait any time after or before eating to practice. 4) Can Be Learned By Correspondence: Because of the philosophy upon which this chi-kung is based, the chi absorbed into the practitioner's body is automatically adjusted according to his needs. This automatic balancing of the chi is part of the complete safety of this style of chi-kung.
Because the physical part of PGSG is easy to do, and because it is not possible to injure yourself by making a mistake, this chi-kung is safe to be taught by correspondence, and thousands of people have learned it that way with excellent results. 5) Monetary Cost: In the USA, the cost to learn the Moving Form of PGSG is $103 if learned by correspondence. That is the total fee and you never need to pay anything else. The originator of this chi-kung will always be available to answer questions (through his interpreter if you don't speak Chinese) and you can ask questions by e-mail, phone, or post if you encounter problems. The correspondence course includes written instructions, pictures, 2 video CD's, and 1 audio CD with step by step verbal instructions. 6) Complete System of Chi-Kung: In addition to the Moving Form of PGSG, there is a Non-Moving, or meditative form; an additional moving form that is shorter and more powerful than the first, but requires a foundation before practicing; and the PGSG Healing SKill, which is a simple and easy way to channel chi to another person to help them heal from an illness or injury.
These additional parts of PGSG do cost extra, but are not required. They are optional and utilize daily practice of the Moving Form as their basis.
Best wishes,
Michael Udel
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August 8th, 2005, 11:58 AM
| | Junior Member | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hemel Hempstead, Herts, ENGLAND Style(s): zhan zhuang, shaolin. Year(s): 3
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Master Lam's book. Master Lams book is a very good resource to learn more about chi gong. I have his book, 'the way of energy'. This book has infomation for the beginner and advanced student.
Z Z is the main chi gong work, I think the ba duan jin will suit you more and this is also covered in the book. Best to learn direct from a teacher though. | 
August 8th, 2005, 03:22 PM
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Rep Power: 220 | | | PlumDragon, I know a couple of good isometric-qi gung exercises that you can do to build and circulate qi for iron palm. Comes from the Honan Temple Tieh Lo Han exercises, very good, I use them frequently for my palm training, pm me if interested.
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August 8th, 2005, 04:57 PM
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Rep Power: 160 | | | The tree postures are pretty good. Google Zhang Zhuang. I've had good results with the one where the hands facing the chest at solar plexus level as if embracing a balloon. You need a teacher for real results. Besides, if it works there can be all sorts of emotional release stuff and it helps to have a teacher to stop you getting hung up on it. That said, some teachers tell you so little you might as well be on your own. If you can't find a teacher locally then it's worth travelling to a workshop with somebody well known. You don't need to 'channel' your energy. Hold the postures, relax, your energy knows where to go. Yes, you can 'guide' it and get good results but it's more complicated, requires more knowlege, and can go wrong more easily.
I second the Wong Kiew Kit recomendation. I have an 'open mind' about some of his claims but his books are clear and simple and the chi kung effective.
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August 8th, 2005, 05:09 PM
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Rep Power: 69 | | | I agree with Allan's appraisal of Kumar and also would recommend the book "Opening the energy gates of the body".
Standing post is a good way to start, so is the 8 pieces of brocarde and you can certainly find material easily enough for them.
And, of course, let's not forget some Tai Chi.
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August 9th, 2005, 03:10 PM
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Rep Power: 11 | | Without a doubt, the best exercise I have encountered to circulate qi and clear blockages is Self Manifested Qi Flow (Zi Fa Dong Gong). If Zhan Zhuang (Stance Training) is roughly 90% building qi, and 10% cleansing, then Zi Fa Dong Gong is the opposite -- 90% cleansing and 10% building.
Actually, in some ways it is simlar to Sifu Frantzis' "Opening the Energy Gates," although there are many differrences. The technique is described in Sifu Wong Kiew Kit's books, but it really needs to be learned from an instructor. When practiced diligently, the results are amazing. This is the main "secret" to Sifu Wong's success in helping so many people overcome their so-called incurable diseases. | 
August 10th, 2005, 12:53 AM
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Without a doubt, the best exercise I have encountered to circulate qi and clear blockages is Self Manifested Qi Flow (Zi Fa Dong Gong). If Zhan Zhuang (Stance Training) is roughly 90% building qi, and 10% cleansing, then Zi Fa Dong Gong is the opposite -- 90% cleansing and 10% building.
Actually, in some ways it is simlar to Sifu Frantzis' "Opening the Energy Gates," although there are many differrences. The technique is described in Sifu Wong Kiew Kit's books, but it really needs to be learned from an instructor. When practiced diligently, the results are amazing. This is the main "secret" to Sifu Wong's success in helping so many people overcome their so-called incurable diseases. | ” | |
Dear Antonius,
In your experience, is Zi Fa Dong Gong riskier than other popular qigong exercises? I'm referring to the risk of deviations that may arise which the unsupervised practitioner will be unable to resolve on his own. In general, there are always some risks with qigong, or anything if not done correctly, but, well, your mileage may vary.
Thanks,
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