Info about Shattering palm and or Bear kungfu

hey i have recently started shattering palm and have been having a slight problem. After about 2 minutes of constant straining of chi i get a overwhelming pain located in the back of the head, feeling at first as a stabing pain then a great and painful throbbing feel that last well over and hour and no western of chinese remedy or medicine seems to help. Currently i have no sifu or master but get taught with an experience friend who seems to be dumbfound at this. Before this i had been able to strain chi plus use it a healing and meditation but now i cannot strain. Also i would like to know if anyone has any information about bear kungfu (forms, moves, bear qigong etc.) i have also recently started this but this friend of mine had never learnt to a great extent about bear kungfu so i havent got a great deal to work with. and one more thing any1 now anything about icy palm

Uh-oh

Whatever you are doing, stop it!

"straining the chi" sounds like forced visualisation, thats usually very harmful and can lead to other problems. It won´t do you any good.

Then describe the exercise as detailed as possible and some of the knowledgeable folks will help.

Oh and welcome to the DL

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oh ok, i do not mean as forcing chi out of the body, but increasing the usage, instead of soft chi. i have been using soft chi for about half a year now and my friend suggest that if i was to use it as a self defensive purpose as a force. the strain is tensing the muscles and chi vessels to increase the flow and unblock the pores in the hands. i have been able to do this to some extent previously but never have tried doing it for more than a minute. Recently i was taught the first from of Shattering palm, no problem there, i meditated before and after the form, and was told before starting the form to as i was told strain chi increase the strength and to use this same method throughout the entire form as slow as possible. I had no problem using it the first 3 days. but on the fourth after the form i had the pain as i described earlier and as u mentioned i had stopped doing it. The fifthe and last time i had done it i had finished meditation and started to accumilate the chi but before a minute pass my head hurt so much that i fell in tears. I had went to the doctors yesterday to check what was wrong and he believed it was a migranic reaction to a virus i had caught. i had taken blood and may be requiring a CAT scan but i would prefer a more down to earth explaination. Also these pains i had said in the back of the head tend to come unexplained as well, i believe they may just be a coincidenc.

Okay.

I just see you are very young and not very informed about the subject itself.

It is also not clever to use terms like "soft chi" or anything like that. Just describe exactly what you do, and people will help, if they can.

There is no way to gain ability from doing what you call "straining the chi". Sure you will want to experiment, but what you are doing does not have any positive effect. The pain is usually due to a blockage. The blockage could be an overstressed nerve, and could result in chronic pain.

So stop the stuff you are doing. Moving through a form, whatever it is, very slowly whitout straining anything is a good way to practice.

Practice opening and closing your hand without tension within 5 minutes for the full motion, not straining anything, not even in your brain. Repeat 3-5 times a day.

The pain might leave you as quickly as it came. You might also feel a funny tickling in your palm and wrist.

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Erschrickstu gern /
Keyn Fechten lern.

Stop doing shattering palm, unless your friend is an experienced instructor, you shouldn't be doing any type of qi gung without an instructor's guidance, there are times when things can be done improperly, and aggravate underlying conditions.
Get checked out, see an accupuncturist, a qi gung instructor, etc.

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

er this is just for my own reasurance if you are brought up in an art, an art that is passed down from father to son under a careful eyes is that qualifead as an experienced teacher, what i reasearch and heard from his father that it was a village art

And before i forget, the terms i use are only of what he had been able to translate. i appologize if these are not the correct terms. I have already learnt how to use chi as a healing purpose and will respect what you told me and leave the more complex ascpects such as shattering palm untill i am more certain i would be happy if some one could help me with understanding that, icy palm and if some1 could tell me more about bear kungfu. thanks in advance

Wow. I have no info on Icy Palm, or Bear KF, but.....

I agree with what Necronos and Mei Hua have stated. Stop what you're doing, and seek out an acupuncturist, qi gong instructor. Not trying to say anything bad here, but, you mentioned performing your form slowly, yet you're straining chi? Just doesn't sound right to me, actually... sounds really wrong.

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Yer well now i have stopped for three days now and the pain comes without any notification, as i mentioned before i do not strain chi in a matter as a forced vizulisation but to force more to come out to unblock pores, i have been able to do this before without pain, i have stopped and still no results, the pain actually is worse i have a feeling it isnt because of training but i have taken care by stopping, earlier when i was youner i had expeirienced this same feeling but didnot come again untill now. I used the word strain because again that is how he translated it, but thank you all for your concern.

One thing about qi gung, even if you're doing it correctly/incorrectly, it can still stimulate/aggravate underlying conditions, so just to be safe, get checked out before doing any type of qi exercise.
It could be nothing but just a headache, but as the saying goes "Better safe than sorry."

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

i thank you all very much, and have taken precautions, thank you again

Sweet, let us know what happens with this.

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yer well everythingsok now, i checked out with a doctor and a expierenced qi gongist, the headache was a migranic reaction to a fever i had caught and may have been brought up by the shattering palm (well thats what he said) the qi gong teacher also told me when i was ill that it isnt a good idea to train any sort of thing with qi, plus he gave me reasons. But everythings now good and im just practicising external for now untill im beta thanks to all who replied

“	Originally Posted By: GreatBear yer well everythingsok now, i checked out with a doctor and a expierenced qi gongist, the headache was a migranic reaction to a fever i had caught and may have been brought up by the shattering palm (well thats what he said) the qi gong teacher also told me when i was ill that it isnt a good idea to train any sort of thing with qi, plus he gave me reasons. But everythings now good and im just practicising external for now untill im beta thanks to all who replied	”

Cool, I'm glad you're better, or getting there at least.
I don't know if you are familiar with Ba Duan Jin, if not, see if you can find someone to teach it to you, it is a very beneficial form of qi gung that will help to increase, improve, and maintain health, as well as circulate your qi, it's a good exercise to use in coordination with other qi gung exercises.

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

That's nice to hear GB. Take your time working yourself back in.

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