Share your encounters with ki

so i was in boston this weekend and i was walking through china town, and bumped into this yang/ hung ga style school hidden upstairs in some building.
Anyways, i was just talking to him, and he asked me if ide ever felt my chi, and i was sad to admit that i really had'nt.. i always hear the stories, but never felt it myself. So he has me do these 2 little excercises, making small circles with my hands, palm facing down with arms relaxed at sides.. and then
making the praying monk thingy, you know, hands to gether, fingers pointing up, so that your wrist makes right angke.. and slowly pull them apart and push em back together, with breathing.. It was amazing, after a handfull of deep breaths it felt like my hands were magnets, i couldnt push em together... or well i could, but i had to focus on pushing with strength. it was awsome. been practicing all the time now.. anyways, thats my experience. And does anyone have any suggestions for further things i could try?

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That is good. I also know that exercise. Chi is just energy. no big deal.

Heres one for ya!

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i haven't experienced anything either...actually i'm sort of sceptical...
but to smarten my ass up i've been thinking of asking my instructor to give me and internal punch once i get back... i want to know what it feels like so i can decide if it's worth learning or not... right now, i know that getting kicked in the face hurts like hell, so that's why i stick w/ that, ya know? if i knew that it was actually worth my while to learn internal striking for self defence, then i'd take it up, no hesitation.

Of course i know that i'm going to be told that there's also the health benifits and stuff, but i'm "young and invincible" right now and that isn't really a big deal to me... even though it probably should be....

SO your thoughts? Is that a bad idea? Are there better (less painful) ways to feel the power of chi? What should i expect?

(please don't flame me too badly! )

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Well if your instructor knows anything about Energy Strikes (Energy manipulation, Forcified Chi explosions or etc.) then he shouldn't hit you at all. LOL, the funny part is how its going to affect your biological atomic structure. It could have serious problems now, or serious problems later. In other words, its kinda a dumb idea to be struck with someone intending on using their energy against your own.....well all depending on what he/she knows and can do with their internal energy.
YOu shouldn't be so skeptical, air is all around us and just cause we can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist....now your going to say it can be proved, well so has Chi, just from the use of medical equipment such as MRI's the Kirlian photographs of the human body and etc. using the body's own internal energy to produce results.
But, then again if you don't believe it, then that's okay cause there will be no way of it working for you, if you can't believe in yourself or your body's abilities. Have a good one!

“	It could have serious problems now, or serious problems later.	”

That's horrible! Why would any want to do that to someone!? i mean if you break someones arm while they're trying to "rough you up", then they learn their lesson and their arm heals... but if you hit someone with an internal strike while they're trying to 'rough you up' they they develope cancer (i'm just using that as an exampe b/c i don't know that 'biological effects' you'r talking about) and they ends up dying as slow painful death... that doesn't really sound fair, or just to me! not like a true martial artist at all!
and if that's the kind of thing that's going to happen, then i definitely do NOT want to get hit, nor do i want to learn it, for fear that i might use it....

“	But, then again if you don't believe it, then that's okay cause there will be no way of it working for you, if you can't believe in yourself or your body's abilities.	”

I'm an open minded person. just b/c i saide that i am sceptical doesn't meant that i completely discount it... and as for the analogy of air.. no, i cannot see it, but i can feel it in the wind, and in my breath... i PERSONALLY have not "felt" chi yet... doesn't mean that it doesn't exist though.....

i don't mean to start some debate or anything, just tossing in my 2 cents...

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Sure as hell what an "instructor" or anyone else could do would never influence your "atomic structure". It affects the structural or biological integrity, aka bleeding, cramps, bones broken, or steering in a kind of shock. "Atomic structure" would mean something like what happens in a fusion bomb, or chemical reaction. Irritation of the body steering can result in a heck of problems, so don't underestimate this. People die from shock.

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Atomic structure, the vibration and pulsating rate at which your atoms in your body are moving can be effected, thus causing a shift or what you would call a change of rate in which manifests into a physical/internal problem, resulting in a number of things all depending on your training, level of skill, and intent...you could cause rupturing, bleeding, tearing, enlargment, and then as you said a shock, or you could heal....but maybe the wierdest part to understand is the mental and as you might say "spiritual" problems that it can cause...either good or bad.(I'm sort of lost on this issue, I have opinions about it but then again, I'm not for sure....something I'm still trying study )

And I'm not trying to start a major debate either, please don't take this as that...but, personally I think you might have felt your own internal power, maybe you just didn't know it. I can feel it, I know its there and in some ways I can prove it, but its just the knowing and understanding of what your body is able to do, externally, and internally that lets you "feel" this unseen presence of energy.

this is a pretty good topic thread. Thanks. C-ya.

Bool - crabb, with fine sauce. This is the QIGONG section aka "what can be done in reality and what result do you get". For the "what might be possible if we put aside physics, biology and science in general" part go to the Qi Lounge aka Twilight Zone. BTW my "internal power" should exceed what you experienced ever at large, but I still use a lighter to make fire. There are better physics experts here than me, and I think they could tell you more about the quality of the electron path around the atomic nucleus. The term "atomic clock" refers to the constance of the emitted pulse.

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"Killing them all didn't make it any better..." - "Are you a freak or something ???" - Max Payne
"Theft is a crime, even in Iraq." - Me.

Alrighty then, why don't you tell me what you really think! (pun intended)

Thats fine, believe what you want to, I just tried explaining a little bit along with scientific details to help explain my exsperience and my own "ideas" of what is what and what is not. Obviously you are way more intelligent than I and in that.... you think you are right. I'm going to leave it at that.

But are you basically saying you can't use energy to change the form or pathway of another type of energy or are you saying you can't use internal energy (Chi, Qi, Ki) to effect another persons specific internal makeup....which is followed by the atomic structure that helps maintain our being? I thought both are roughly the same, doesn't matter if its energy used to fuil electricity or energy used within ourselves!? Cause all in all, if atoms are energy, then we are nothing more than walking, talking powerplants, just full of energy.

Hmmm, I just don't know...you tell me what you think, I'm truely interested, and I'm not trying to sound like a smart@ss. I have a little more respect than that!!

Hey Nik,why don't you give Nevel a holler. You might try RobT but I do not know if he still replies to questions but he was very good.
Jeff(fuzzy30)

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no PHYSICAL action can cause the destruction or manipulation of atoms, period. it doesn't matter how much you shake a ball or Uranium, or how high you drop it from, or how hard you hit it with a hammer, it's still just going to be Uranium, and it's not going to cause a massive explosion!

but you WILL have radiation poinsoning from messing around with it! lol that's b/c Uranium (U 256 anyways) is extremely unstaible and some CRAZY things go one were it gives of electrons and neutrons and neutrinos, and even protons (as it slowly decays into Plutonium i think...) and as these particles are given off they fly threw your body and and chop out bits of your DNA (Dioxieribonuclaic Acid to be more specific!...and you need that stuf by the way...) and then you don't grow a third eye (b/c nothing's being 'added' to your DNA) your body starts to deteriorate and certain bodily functions start to fail.

And Nik are you tell me that if I (or anyone else for that matter) hit someone with an internal punch, then they'll experience internal bleeding and hemoraging and possibly go into shock, but they WILL NOT produce a generation of babies with their heads on backwards?

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Anything is possible, in twilight zone ...

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"Fawning, but proud!" - (at least sometimes, in rare cases)
"Killing them all didn't make it any better..." - "Are you a freak or something ???" - Max Payne
"Theft is a crime, even in Iraq." - Me.

Topojesho - two words: 'breathing'...I mean dan tien breathing. Abdominal breathing. Don't use your lungs, boy! I mean - not as the focus!
Also, more words - 'hold golden ball'. Yes! A most excellent technique! You can interpret it as an inate concept in Taijiquan, and as I see it one of the best chi-driven techniques out there. (They say if you get really good at it, with about sixty years of practive - just when senility is kicking in - you can throw fire balls!)
What more words do I have...hmm..."8 pieces of silk" - track it down. It is based rather directly on Bodhidharma's teachings. Do that every day you'll be a chi monstor. MONSTOR I tell you.
That is all.

~Monkey Lifting Water

Okay, here we go again, maybe I should have chosen my words a little bit better. I'm not stating that if you hit a person, you could split an atom and cause an EXPLOSION. I'm stating that with the use of an internal strike, you can cause a slight molecular shift in the body. The energy.......if trained correctly, can pentrate into a person, thus causing a slight imbalance of energy withing the opponent.........which causes the shift, i dunno how big of a shift it causes, but it does affect the current energy state of each individual atom that then manifest out and into an organ or muscle tissue or whatever your wanting to attack (remember we are all made up of atoms, each and every part of our bodies) thus creating an inbalance to that organ, changing its structure slightly and thus...(lol, I'm using this "thus" word alot, but I'm sort of tired, bare with me) doing some major damage to the individual. How else would internal energy strikes work, its forcing the energy into another living thing to upset its balance, and without some type of balance...all is lost.